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Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by d3nj4l »

w0utert wrote: post #219
Hamuko wrote: post #188

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Google allows third-party app stores and most of the source code for Android is out there in the open. I don't know how Google "practically owns" your device considering Apple asserts a much more complete control over your device.

>> Google allows third-party app stores and most of the source code for Android is out there in the open. Is that true though? I though pretty much all of the Google services and vendor-specific skins and OS modifications are just as closed as iOS? Last time I heard vanilla AOSP is pretty much unusable because besides the core OS functions everything is grossly outdated? Is anyone using Android phones without any of…

I'll play the part and mention microG, an alternative which supplies many of the Google services that are required by a ton of apps these days. Fair warning, though. Installing microG on a lot of popular phones is non-trivial.

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Post by snazz »

romanoderoma wrote: post #86
holstvoogd wrote: post #75

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They're just jealous and need to write 'apple bad' blog to validate to themselves why they are years behind ;-)

What if you're both right? They're just jealous but Apple really is bad?

I think that painting a multi-trillion-dollar corporation as "good" or "bad" is always disingenuous.

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Post by perryizgr8 »

rsynnott wrote: post #147
socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

And in any case there's no reason they couldn't do that on Intel if they wanted to. IIRC there was some Windows variant back in the day that did this on Intel. Windows 10S, possibly?

They couldn't do that on intel because if they made it too draconian people would just install windows. Now people are locked in tight.

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Post by rootusrootus »

drieddust wrote: post #198
socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

My wife was an apple fan until she bought an iPhone and got locked out when she forget the password. Apple support refused to cooperate despite repeated cries of help. M1 feels like a stepping stone in the same direction on laptops. Personally it feels wrong to pay for a device someone can lock you out of and then refuse to unlock. It's like paying ransom without getting kidnapped.

As someone who had their bank account compromised by a successful social engineering attack on the account representatives, I'm okay with Apple giving us a technical solution that even they cannot break. It's up to me to remember the key, of course, but I like knowing that even Apple can't break into my device if they want.

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Post by zepto »

eertami wrote: post #201
Bud wrote: post #63

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The author clearly and obviously has no clue about M1. Calling its performance a "marginal improvement" is laughable. The entire article reads as a desperate attempt to distract people from the obvious advantages of the M1. I'd be desperate too if I were trying to pretend Android is a serious competitor performance-wise when the CPUs are 18-24 months behind and the gap is still widening.

>I'd be desperate too if I were trying to pretend Android is a serious competitor performance-wise when the CPUs are 18-24 months behind and the gap is still widening. I open WhatsApp on an iPhone XR. It launches instantly. I open WhatsApp on a five year old Oneplus. It launches instantly. Honestly who cares unless you have some niche use case or play mobile games. Having a class leading CPU isn't an advantage if it…

If all you use is WhatsApp, then you really don’t need to care about Apple. There is a huge range of android phones that will meet your needs.

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Post by perryizgr8 »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #91
spijdar wrote: post #22

> However, that marginal improvement hardly seems worth upsetting the entire Mac OS developer and consumer software ecosystem. Really? This entire article is really dismissive, but this line especially struck me. I'm not convinced the M1 chip is some strange alien tech bypassing the laws of physics, but it seems clearly superior at its specific niche (single processes with an emphasis on low power usage, using fewer…

Having worked as a mobile app developer primarily on iOS, I quickly learned that many Android fans has an unhealthy obsession with Apple bordering on mental disorder. My Android developer co-worker has to use every opportunity given to rant about how superior Android was and how terrible iPhone was. Not to mention how downright evil Apple was.

As an android user, I hate that iPhone users put up with insane bs that Apple does. They normalize abusive behavior and that spreads to the Android ecosystem too. Which hurts me. Case in point: headphone jacks

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Post by addicted »

mfer wrote: post #189
matwood wrote: post #136

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Agreed. Apple could be lying, but they (top executives) have stated multiple times that the mac is not an iDevice. They have also stated they have no plans to only allow installs from app store, and they understand the value of tools like brew etc...They are what makes the mac popular with developers. This could all change, but until it does articles like this feel a lot like FUD. Additionally, completely dismissing…

If Apple changed on this the press and customer sentiment would be terrible. Oh so terrible. I'm sure they are aware of that. Word of mouth is the best form of advertising. If you're most vocal work of mouth folks turn than this would be bad for sales.

Apple is aware that they constantly change their story mid steam and the majority of the media simply buys it.

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Post by vmvarga »

danaris wrote: post #218
vmvarga wrote: post #191

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That was some Fake news using worthless benchmarks. It's not even near 1050 Ti in the real world, check any game, M1 gets destroyed by that 4 year old 1050 Ti GPU. For example, Shadow of the Tomb Raider 45 fps 1080p medium vs 26 fps on M1. You might say it's because of Rosetta (not that it makes any difference because probably most games will never be ported anyway, so Rosetta is all you get when talking about curren…

Do you have sources for those numbers? I'm curious about the M1's gaming performance, but I haven't yet seen any articles talking about it...

Shadow of the Tomb Raider on M1 : https://youtu.be/Cu8gEq-Os_E?t=238

World of Warcraft on M1 (which is as good as it will get on Apple Sillicon because it has support, not emulated via Rosetta) : https://youtu.be/Cu8gEq-Os_E?t=192

1050 Ti Shadow Of Tomb Raider: https://www.gpucheck.com/game-gpu/shadow-of-the-tomb-raider/... 77 fps seems too high, mostly people on youtube seem to be getting ~45 fps, but it's still way better than M1's 26 fps.

1050 Ti World of Warcraft: https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-World-of-...

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Post by zepto »

swiley wrote: post #111
socialdemocrat wrote: post #99

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Yeah let us stop using Anti virus software on PC because it doesn’t stop every virus. It is never about elimination but minimization. Reality is that macOS and iOS both have much smaller malware problem than competing platforms.

I would disagree, GNU/Linux has less of a malware problem than OSX and at the end of the day they all run browsers which have their own issues. There's also a serious cost to the walled gardens. These things eliminate community maintained software which results in everything on your computer being controlled by a profit (often marketing) driven corporation. These always eventually die (taking your data with them) or…

Community maintained software seems to be dying without anything Apple is doing because people can’t afford to maintain it.
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