Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by valuearb » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:37 PM UTC

Someone wrote: post #71

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #35

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There are some non-trivial apps used by real users that are 32-bit only, in particular the pre-subscription versions of Adobe Creative Suite.

And those aren’t the worst examples, as alternatives exist (subscription only and/or more expensive, possibly, but they do exist) Especially in companies, there may be that ‘essential’ app somebody wrote in two decades ago that nobody has the source code to or, if they have, uses a language dialect no modern compiler supports, requires third party libraries of companies long out of business, etc. Also, hardware suppo…

Those companies should pay the developers of those “essential” apps for the update. I’m tired of companies cheeping out and blaming everyone else when they don’t want to pay devs.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by izacus » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:37 PM UTC

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #35

Bud wrote: post #15

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Is that even a serious criticism? Users had about ten years of warning before 32-bit went away. The real impact of that on real users is minimal.

There are some non-trivial apps used by real users that are 32-bit only, in particular the pre-subscription versions of Adobe Creative Suite.

And a massive chunk of Steam library which will never be updated.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by valuearb » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:40 PM UTC

dangus wrote: post #208

This article has decent points but is definitely just sort of coming from the perspective of being completely unfamiliar with the Mac platform. Worrying about the App Store taking over on the Mac is misguided. The Mac has never forced the App Store on anyone and the Mac App Store doesn’t even seem to be particularly popular. “Emulation” (it’s not emulation) is apparently this big problem, except that early M1 Macs sh…

When they repeatedly used the word “emulation” instead of translation in the article I knew they hadn’t done their homework.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by dangus » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:40 PM UTC

Pesthuf wrote: post #18

I also think the marketing was genius. NOT labeling that graph they showed did exactly what they wanted. It was impressing the non tech people and the tech people ALL kept talking and talking about it - because it wasn't labeled. Apple's marketing is brilliant. It really gets the kind of people who think they are too smart to be marketed to AND the normies, all in one message.

And yet, the reviewers’ real world tests show that the unlabeled graph wasn’t a lie.

Here’s a labeled graph from Anandtech, scroll down to “Apple vs Intel Top Performance”

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226/apple-silicon-m1-a14-de...

Apple’s unlabeled graph wasn’t a lie. Early reviewers confirm that the performance from a fanless, body-temperature laptop with 15+ hours of battery life is downright mind blowing. There is nothing else like it on the market.

Marketing only gets you so far. This product speaks for itself.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by vagrantJin » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:45 PM UTC

newsclues wrote: post #94

romanoderoma wrote: post #84

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> Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan horses. I don't intend to sound dismissive, but this line of thinking has a name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternalism

Does that not apply to the State and government?

Yes, but governments are or should be accountable to the state, which imposes rules thereby verified and rattified by civil society and their representatives.

Second point, though weaker on its own merit, is that the State's primary objective is to improve the commonwealth by acting as proxy to the collective effort, regulating compromise etc which are paternalistic without a doubt.

Private corporations exist for entirely different reasons though this probably wasn't always the case. In our world, corporations can make massive losses, have no working product, or be of such marginal value and yet be valued for billions by speculators in the free market. Its all random and irrational. States cannot operate like that.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by m4rtink » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:46 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #126

weego wrote: post #39

Yeah and don't be duped by the cost savings and reliability of SpaceX, they just want control. Product development is about control in some form. If Apple have genuinely just make a decades leap in performance then you just look at the trade offs. I'm not sure why I'm still typing, the article is such child-like faux insightfulness.

Weird comparison, SpaceX is not consumer hardware and few people make their living off of their services.

Also SpaceX is much more open than about any old school space launch company - and some new ones! (Blue Origin is secretive on the Apple level.)

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by valuearb » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:46 PM UTC

karmakaze wrote: post #178

There are other benefits to the architecture change. A strong motivation is that profit margins can be increased by using more efficient in CPU size/speed, battery size, and amount of RAM to deliver the same performance compared to x86 Macs. Rather than pass these savings to consumers Apple can bank the difference. And the consumer wins with smaller/lighter devices and longer battery life. Expect that macOS will cont…

MacOS is not iOS because a Mac is not a phone. Craig Federeghi has spoken about the differences multiple times recently, repeatedly saying they aren’t changing MacOS to be more like iPadOS or iOS. They use the Mac too, and need its separate use case.

They got 20 hour battery life just by switching to Apple Silicon, they aren’t going to hobble Mac apps with any significant restrictions to try to eek out a few hours more.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by danaris » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:49 PM UTC

vmvarga wrote: post #191

bfgoodrich wrote: post #156

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The power-sipping, integrated GPU has performance 30% better than a GTX 1050 Ti [1]. The GTX 1050 Ti is still a current, sold product [2], selling for $150 or so USD [3], and consumes about 75-100W in your PC. We can no true Scotsman this, but that GPU performance is a literal magnitude+ greater than what the majority of users have in their computers (and I am including full desktops in this discussion). The overwhel…

That was some Fake news using worthless benchmarks. It's not even near 1050 Ti in the real world, check any game, M1 gets destroyed by that 4 year old 1050 Ti GPU. For example, Shadow of the Tomb Raider 45 fps 1080p medium vs 26 fps on M1. You might say it's because of Rosetta (not that it makes any difference because probably most games will never be ported anyway, so Rosetta is all you get when talking about curren…

Do you have sources for those numbers? I'm curious about the M1's gaming performance, but I haven't yet seen any articles talking about it...

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by w0utert » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:49 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #188

holstvoogd wrote: post #108

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It always seems like some sort of deflection tactic. Shouting how bad apple is, while using a device practically owned by google.

Google allows third-party app stores and most of the source code for Android is out there in the open. I don't know how Google "practically owns" your device considering Apple asserts a much more complete control over your device.

>> Google allows third-party app stores and most of the source code for Android is out there in the open.

Is that true though? I though pretty much all of the Google services and vendor-specific skins and OS modifications are just as closed as iOS? Last time I heard vanilla AOSP is pretty much unusable because besides the core OS functions everything is grossly outdated? Is anyone using Android phones without any of the Google services?

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by evgen » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:52 PM UTC

0goel0 wrote: post #196

socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

> We know for a fact that this is a much smaller problem on iOS than Android. I am happy that Android exists as a choice for users but let us not pretend there are no trade offs. Android is not a choice for iOS users, it's not a seamless switch. The solution as I see it is that apple could still very well protect users from "trojans" but have an opt-in for 3p app installation. A button that says "I want to install ap…

The problem with this 'I know the risks' approach is that it is often put out there by people who do know the risks but these people are massively outnumbered by the huge mass of people who have no idea about the risks but will gladly install from Bob's FlyByNight App Emporium if it means they will get a "can't lose" video poker app or a chance to win a free Fortnite skin and please be sure to click OK to all of those security warnings thanks so much for your bank details...

If you want a different ecosystem there are choices available to you. Why exactly are you complaining when it is clear no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to use Apple products?