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The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by arminiusreturns »

I don't think most people understand the company, even company insiders. (learn the origins of compartmentalization for some good reading) I think looking at the history and origins of it and it's key founding and early members offer the greatest insights into the structure learned mostly from MI6 when it was the OSS formed by a bunch of Wall Street banker-lawyer types who were pioneering the international law movement. Understanding the Dulles days in Switzerland is a great start, for example. Another technique I have used (for other topics too) is to find all the whistle-blowers and read their books and articles. Usually only a juicy tidbit or two is found in an insiders book, but when you add them up in aggregate you can form a larger picture many tend to miss. Many revealing things exist for those with the passion to seek them.

Be warned though, this is one of those topics that is not for the naive, or the faint of heart. When you start to understand the horror... I have seen more than I like retreat into ignorant bliss in response. Do you really want to know what the government is carrying out in your name, and the implications thereof? Do you really want to know what they have done against our own citizens, and even our top officials in other branches?

Knowing stuff like this makes you laugh at the politics of today, and the people falling for the Hegelian pendulum swing like clockwork. You begin to empathize with the elite and understand what their base positions is, which boils down to the question Nick Rockefeller asked Aaron Russo; "What do you care about those people? They're just serfs. Take care of you and your family."

Class techno-warfare will be the greatest struggle of humanity, even into transition to a type 1 civilization. Calling it now.

Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by ratsmack »

kungito wrote: post #59
forgingahead wrote: post #56

Gottlieb wanted to create a way to seize control of people's minds, and he realized it was a two-part process. First, you had to blast away the existing mind. Second, you had to find a way to insert a new mind into that resulting void. You don't need LSD for this, just expose yourself to media (news, social media, "influencers", etc) and they will helpfully convince you that everything you thought before you encounte…

HN uses voting to legitimize content of higher quality and tries to avoid political discussion. What you are doing is generalizing the non-issue of most platforms allowing the silent majority to express their opinion about other people's opinions. The funnies part about people complaining about getting downvoted is that no one is even removing or preventing you from speaking their mind even if they fucking hate the o…

>HN uses voting to legitimize content of higher quality

The majority of the down votes I have seen are for disagreement, and not for the quality of the post. I have seen many comments down voted and flagged dead that were eloquently stated and/or just an opinion.

Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by DoreenMichele »

forgingahead wrote: post #56

Gottlieb wanted to create a way to seize control of people's minds, and he realized it was a two-part process. First, you had to blast away the existing mind. Second, you had to find a way to insert a new mind into that resulting void. You don't need LSD for this, just expose yourself to media (news, social media, "influencers", etc) and they will helpfully convince you that everything you thought before you encounte…

Online, platforms with downvote systems (HN included) present the apparent legitimacy of certain views over others, and help reinforce what you shouldn't be thinking or voicing (don't get greyed out by posting that!).

Corrective upvotes are a tradition on HN. If you aren't being an asshole, some people will upvote you back to neutral if they think you are being downvoted for the wrong reasons.

You just have to have a little courage of conviction and patience and not start editing your post in reaction to voting or complaining about it, etc.

HN does a much better job than most platforms of allowing people to genuinely express a minority view -- assuming they can follow the guidelines and not bitch about the voting and not get reactive and inflammatory because of baggage, etc.

It's not an easy thing to do, but it can be done here, unlike most platforms.

Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by rorykoehler »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #63
forgingahead wrote: post #56

Gottlieb wanted to create a way to seize control of people's minds, and he realized it was a two-part process. First, you had to blast away the existing mind. Second, you had to find a way to insert a new mind into that resulting void. You don't need LSD for this, just expose yourself to media (news, social media, "influencers", etc) and they will helpfully convince you that everything you thought before you encounte…

Online, platforms with downvote systems (HN included) present the apparent legitimacy of certain views over others, and help reinforce what you shouldn't be thinking or voicing (don't get greyed out by posting that!). Corrective upvotes are a tradition on HN. If you aren't being an asshole, some people will upvote you back to neutral if they think you are being downvoted for the wrong reasons. You just have to have a…

My own personal experience is that opinions on topics are geographical cargo cults. Upvoted by Europeans in the morning and downvoted by Americans in the afternoon or vice versa.

Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by jlnthws »

ratsmack wrote: post #62
kungito wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN uses voting to legitimize content of higher quality and tries to avoid political discussion. What you are doing is generalizing the non-issue of most platforms allowing the silent majority to express their opinion about other people's opinions. The funnies part about people complaining about getting downvoted is that no one is even removing or preventing you from speaking their mind even if they fucking hate the o…

>HN uses voting to legitimize content of higher quality The majority of the down votes I have seen are for disagreement, and not for the quality of the post. I have seen many comments down voted and flagged dead that were eloquently stated and/or just an opinion.

True. The reason is that voting and downvoting semantic is perceived differently, and people’s ego. The easiest, although imperfect, solution I think would be that downvoting costs you some karma (both the downvotee and the downvoter).

Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by friendlybus »

forgingahead wrote: post #56

Gottlieb wanted to create a way to seize control of people's minds, and he realized it was a two-part process. First, you had to blast away the existing mind. Second, you had to find a way to insert a new mind into that resulting void. You don't need LSD for this, just expose yourself to media (news, social media, "influencers", etc) and they will helpfully convince you that everything you thought before you encounte…

Yes that's all true and we are sleepwalking into being controlled.

Creating a news website without a regular set of themes that show up again and again is very difficult. Any control mechanism will allow some themes and remove others. The best outcome is people knowing what they're signing up for, when they read any given news source.

The old order has fallen apart, I don't know what life their is left outside the metaphysical forces which tie us down.

Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by thatguy0900 »

forgingahead wrote: post #56

Gottlieb wanted to create a way to seize control of people's minds, and he realized it was a two-part process. First, you had to blast away the existing mind. Second, you had to find a way to insert a new mind into that resulting void. You don't need LSD for this, just expose yourself to media (news, social media, "influencers", etc) and they will helpfully convince you that everything you thought before you encounte…

Hn is especially obnoxious by making downvoted posts physically harder to read by lowering the text contrast. Just seems insulting.

Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by DoreenMichele »

rorykoehler wrote: post #64
DoreenMichele wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Online, platforms with downvote systems (HN included) present the apparent legitimacy of certain views over others, and help reinforce what you shouldn't be thinking or voicing (don't get greyed out by posting that!). Corrective upvotes are a tradition on HN. If you aren't being an asshole, some people will upvote you back to neutral if they think you are being downvoted for the wrong reasons. You just have to have a…

My own personal experience is that opinions on topics are geographical cargo cults. Upvoted by Europeans in the morning and downvoted by Americans in the afternoon or vice versa.

And my personal experience is that some percentage of my comments are downvoted immediately and then upvoted to neutral -- as was the case here.

I imagine if you interviewed all 5 million visitors you would get about 5 million different experiences.

(That's not to dismiss your experience at all.)

Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by pfortuny »

rorykoehler wrote: post #64
DoreenMichele wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Online, platforms with downvote systems (HN included) present the apparent legitimacy of certain views over others, and help reinforce what you shouldn't be thinking or voicing (don't get greyed out by posting that!). Corrective upvotes are a tradition on HN. If you aren't being an asshole, some people will upvote you back to neutral if they think you are being downvoted for the wrong reasons. You just have to have a…

My own personal experience is that opinions on topics are geographical cargo cults. Upvoted by Europeans in the morning and downvoted by Americans in the afternoon or vice versa.

You are not the only one to notice this... Upvotes in the afternoon, downvotes in the night.

Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by closeparen »

sirtaj wrote: post #57
Nbox9 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People sometimes do bad things, and aren’t held accountable. Sometimes, these unaccountable things are secret. Some secrets will remain secrets. The secretes that will become public knowledge are my worrisome. It’s common to do bad things and be unaccountable for them — from your own actions or the actions you take on behalf of the group. Society is best when people think about how their worst actions effect other pe…

> Society is best when people think about how their worst actions effect other people. In our day to day lives, I use this as a basic character test of both individuals and societies. People fail this inductive-thinking test - "If everyone did what I am about to do, would I like to live in the society that would result?" - all the time. Signs of failure range from lack of civic sense (litter, rash driving etc) all th…

If everyone went into software engineering, we would all starve to death. There are very few things that society could survive “everyone” doing - a diversity and balance of complementary behaviors are important.
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