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You know, this comes up frequently. I have had to think about the CIA more than I would like to admit. There are some wounds in my life related to the evil of perceived unaccountability - and the perceived unaccountability was my own. When it comes to someone being harmed by a government institution that has the same problem, especially when it has done much to consciously avoid accountability, the result is only wor…
I have no reason to believe they ever stopped trying. They have probably tried other ways; mayhaps even more succesful but we are not authorized to know whether they did... because appaerently it's super important that their actions are secret "to protect democracy"? (or something like that)
Isn’t social media a form of mass mind control? Didn’t facebook perform experiments on manipulating the emotions of its users?
Facebook did specifically do a test to see if emotions spread between people through the news feed. They didn't create posts to manipulate emotions, but they did track people after seeing emotionally charged posts in their feeds.
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Perhaps the CIA's hope was to brainwash American pilots, not deprogram them. From what I understand, cult deprogramming is often a weird mirror of cult programming, using many of the same methods, with deprogramming organizations sometimes becoming cult-like themselves. That one could be confused or disguised as the other doesn't surprise me.
I think the whole "we got the idea from the Koreans/Soviets" thing is just a cover, and the truth is that MKULTRA was an extension/continuation of experiments which got their start in the Nazi concentration camps.
The key issue with MKULTRA was the use of unwitting subjects. They'd dose people with LSD without their knowledge, let alone their consent, causing at least one person to kill themselves. If any of us worked for the CIA, we'd probably be interested in researching LSD, too; just not like that.
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A protection racket implies the "threat" is fake or choreographed. Are you implying China isn't hacking America, or pushing out it's maritime borders, or threatening US allies? These are all engineered threats somehow?
A whole lot of these threats are manufactured. You know that members of the Bush administration helped orchestrate the 9/11 attacks, right?
You know, this comes up frequently. I have had to think about the CIA more than I would like to admit. There are some wounds in my life related to the evil of perceived unaccountability - and the perceived unaccountability was my own. When it comes to someone being harmed by a government institution that has the same problem, especially when it has done much to consciously avoid accountability, the result is only wor…
Am I too stupid to understand this, or does it make no sense?
Sometimes, these unaccountable things are secret. Some secrets will remain secrets. The secretes that will become public knowledge are my worrisome.
It’s common to do bad things and be unaccountable for them — from your own actions or the actions you take on behalf of the group. Society is best when people think about how their worst actions effect other people. If we all try to help each other, surely we can find a way.
This is my dummy translation, and it doesn’t hold a flame to the remorse, regret, and hope of the original.
You don't need LSD for this, just expose yourself to media (news, social media, "influencers", etc) and they will helpfully convince you that everything you thought before you encountered them was bad/racist/sexist/conservative/etc. They'll also give you opinions about specific groups of people, and certain people in particular (all of whom you haven't met, nor will you ever meet), and reinforce that every day you continue to consume from them.
Then it's just a matter of swallowing wholesale whatever else they feed you after that.
Online, platforms with downvote systems (HN included) present the apparent legitimacy of certain views over others, and help reinforce what you shouldn't be thinking or voicing (don't get greyed out by posting that!).
The net result is we've sleepwalked into being controlled anyway, except that we contort ourselves justifying why "this is different".
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Am I too stupid to understand this, or does it make no sense?
People sometimes do bad things, and aren’t held accountable. Sometimes, these unaccountable things are secret. Some secrets will remain secrets. The secretes that will become public knowledge are my worrisome. It’s common to do bad things and be unaccountable for them — from your own actions or the actions you take on behalf of the group. Society is best when people think about how their worst actions effect other pe…
In our day to day lives, I use this as a basic character test of both individuals and societies. People fail this inductive-thinking test - "If everyone did what I am about to do, would I like to live in the society that would result?" - all the time. Signs of failure range from lack of civic sense (litter, rash driving etc) all the way to climate change and social collapse.
Now what? Just accept the permanent stain. I refuse to believe their methods are necessary or the best, but they will not go away.
Their ultimate goal is a combinanion of their own self presevation and continual surivival of the country. They wont do anything to purposefully jeapordize either, but everything else is on the table, as history and current events show. Their methods towards these ends are immoral because the methods are shortsighted, lazy, and uncreative. Imagine what better minds could have come up with when you read this article.
There's really not much else to say other than articles like the above to provide specifics.
Gottlieb wanted to create a way to seize control of people's minds, and he realized it was a two-part process. First, you had to blast away the existing mind. Second, you had to find a way to insert a new mind into that resulting void. You don't need LSD for this, just expose yourself to media (news, social media, "influencers", etc) and they will helpfully convince you that everything you thought before you encounte…
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A whole lot of these threats are manufactured. You know that members of the Bush administration helped orchestrate the 9/11 attacks, right?
No, they didn't.
Why exactly do you think they didn't bother going after the person who funded the hijackers directly, and actively hid this information in the 9/11 "28 pages" for years and years?