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The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by mhh__ »

trhway wrote: post #17
dls2016 wrote: post #6

The CIA should absolutely be abolished.

So you wanna live in the world where only Russians and Saudis do extrajudicial killings?

I think drawing direct equivalence to the CIA and what the FSB get up to is a little strong. It's a popular thing to say on HN, but if it were true it would mean there's evidence of (say) finding the CIA planting bombs the day after 9/11 in a different skyscraper i.e. The Moscow apartment bombings.

Mass surveillance is a different matter, although I don't think that (nominally at least) falls under the CIA's remit

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Post by naringas »

I have no reason to believe they ever stopped trying. They have probably tried other ways; mayhaps even more succesful but we are not authorized to know whether they did... because appaerently it's super important that their actions are secret "to protect democracy"? (or something like that)

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Post by mrb82k24 »

titzer wrote: post #9
dls2016 wrote: post #6

The CIA should absolutely be abolished.

For sure the CIA has done a ton of crazy shit. They should be subject to oversight and accountability, but abolishing them won't accomplish much other than introducing a massive blindspot in national security.

National security meaning what in this case? American business interests worldwide?

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Post by seppin »

varispeed wrote: post #15
titzer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For sure the CIA has done a ton of crazy shit. They should be subject to oversight and accountability, but abolishing them won't accomplish much other than introducing a massive blindspot in national security.

That's like supporting a protection racket... Wow.

A protection racket implies the "threat" is fake or choreographed. Are you implying China isn't hacking America, or pushing out it's maritime borders, or threatening US allies? These are all engineered threats somehow?

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Post by [deleted] »

varispeed wrote: post #15
titzer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For sure the CIA has done a ton of crazy shit. They should be subject to oversight and accountability, but abolishing them won't accomplish much other than introducing a massive blindspot in national security.

That's like supporting a protection racket... Wow.

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Re: The CIA's Quest for Mind Control: Torture, LSD and a 'Poisoner in Chief'

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Post by seppin »

pueblito wrote: post #19
trhway wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you wanna live in the world where only Russians and Saudis do extrajudicial killings?

That would objectively be an improvement, absolutely

Shutting down spy agencies in democracies will not stop spying done by autocrats. If anything, it will create greater incentives to attack more, not less.

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Post by booleandilemma »

naringas wrote: post #22

I have no reason to believe they ever stopped trying. They have probably tried other ways; mayhaps even more succesful but we are not authorized to know whether they did... because appaerently it's super important that their actions are secret "to protect democracy"? (or something like that)

Isn’t social media a form of mass mind control? Didn’t facebook perform experiments on manipulating the emotions of its users?

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Post by colonelanguz »

seppin wrote: post #24
varispeed wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's like supporting a protection racket... Wow.

A protection racket implies the "threat" is fake or choreographed. Are you implying China isn't hacking America, or pushing out it's maritime borders, or threatening US allies? These are all engineered threats somehow?

> A protection racket implies the "threat" is fake or choreographed.

Actually it doesn't

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