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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by chii »

jonathankoren wrote: post #602
tombert wrote: post #519

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> There aren’t any obviously viable alternatives for long form videos. There are plenty of alternatives in some sense; stuff like Bitchute exists and allows you to post whatever you want and it works well enough, but the reason I don't go on there is that it seems like a lot of the content is basically just neo-Nazi crap, which of course I don't really want to watch. And I suppose that's kind of the issues; YouTube h…

I think you’re analysis is basically correct. The only creators attracted to YouTube alternatives are those that have been forced off YouTube. You see the same thing with 8chan, Gab, and now Parler. Now niche doesn’t necessarily mean “cesspool of hate”, but that is a niche. For a while Vimeo seemed to be the place where I found embeds of art videos, so I attributed that niche to it, but I can’t remember the last time…

Vimeo has sold itself as a video host, rather than a platform for attracting viewers. There are plenty of vimeo videos that are private and password protected.

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Post by chii »

TACIXAT wrote: post #598
TACIXAT wrote: post #400

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>should Youtube host your video for free? Yes, because I am making content for them for free. It is unpaid labor on my part in exchange for free hosting. Now it is unpaid labor that makes them money.

Could someone explain the downvotes? I do not believe this is such a radical opinion. Prior to this change you were still producing content for the YouTube ecosystem for free until you hit 4k view hours. Then you could begin to make a meager amount of money. It is not such a great deal for content creators and now it is even worse.

You are not making content for youtube _for free_ - because they didn't ask you to do it. You are just making content.

But you did ask youtube to host for free.

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Post by chii »

phjordon wrote: post #620
testcase_delta wrote: post #334

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YouTube premium is great, I'm surprised it's not more popular. I'd cut my Spotify subscription way before YouTube, but that's not what I typically hear from my friends. Spotify = Streaming music $12/month YouTube = Streaming music + learned SolidWorks + learned Blender + learning Spanish + general entertainment of all sorts... $12/month. YouTube is incredible.

It’s not popular because it’s incredibly expensive. For $12/month you get: - No ads - Minor usability improvements to the app - “premium” content - YouTube Music The “premium” content is trash and YouTube Music is the worst music app with any significant effort put behind it, in addition to being a significant step down from Google‘s previous offering. Most people would rather deal with the ads.

If youtube premium allowed you to access _all_ member's only videos on all channels, then it's be worth it.

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Post by chii »

andrewia wrote: post #586
kumarm wrote: post #259

Having youtube premium is definitely the biggest time saver for me. Other than not showing ads, lets you listen to videos like a podcast on mobile in background. For podcasts that also posts youtube videos, I just use youtube since it lets me see reactions when I want to from podcasters. I never understand HN Crowd complaining about ads on YouTube. It literally costs(1 month sub) less than typing a comment like this…

For me, the biggest plus of YouTube Premium is supporting the creators. Almost every initiative to pay a large number of blogs and creators at once has failed because it's too difficult to get them all to sign on and distribute money to all of them. YouTube is a monopoly for better and worse, so it was easier for them to implement ad-free for almost every video creator. I wish Google Contributor could live up to the…

The content creator is much better off being paid directly via a donation, or for the viewer to purchase merch.

Youtube premium is utter trash due to the way the money is split.

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Post by arnoooooo »

dmd wrote: post #153
arnoooooo wrote: post #149

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Thats sounds a lot like extorsion.

Restaurants extort me to pay for food if I want to eat there. It's shameful.

I would not say that if youtube straight up asked for payment for their product and there were no ads.

Instead, Youtube is pestering you with ads and asking for payment to stop doing so.

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Post by samoa42 »

theturtletalks wrote: post #589
JakeTheAndroid wrote: post #557

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Yeah, and I think this drives the point home even further. You really want a risk mitigation strategy for YouTube's hostile actions against creators. It's been a slow but steady creep. So, if your business is built off the back of something like Facebook, or YouTube, or Instagram, you probably want a backup plan. I've seen a few YouTubers have a centralized site for signups and support where they host all their conte…

Can creators self-host videos on their personal website and push that video to Youtube for their subscribers? That way, they can direct users who don't want ads to their website. Then they are not completely dependent on YT, FB, etc.

excellent compromise!

other replies mention the client compatibility, quality and bandwidth issues with self hosting but i think this can be reasonably adressed with just going for a common denominator on the self-hosting side (eg. 720p h264)

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Post by TheKarateKid »

kllrnohj wrote: post #657
TheKarateKid wrote: post #619

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Couldn’t they just use Twitter or some other platform like everyone else?

If they used Twitter or some other platform then they are still reliant on an externally funded system they have no control over. It's not really a backup plan at that point. Also I don't think you can build a community on Twitter anyway. It's just shouting into the void. They could use it for announcements (and do, LTT is on Twitter, too), but little else.

> Linus of the Tech Tips variety has said that a major reason they kept paying for the forums ... is so that they could have a direct line of communication to their core fan base no matter what happens.

Using it for announcements is precisely the primary reason they claimed to want to keep the forums. So in this case, Twitter would be appropriate.

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Post by TheKarateKid »

yarosv wrote: post #625
TheKarateKid wrote: post #619

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Couldn’t they just use Twitter or some other platform like everyone else?

On twitter communication only happens here in now. Nobody (almost) cares about tweets older than 3 days, and twitter UI "helps" with that.

> Linus of the Tech Tips variety has said that a major reason they kept paying for the forums ... is so that they could have a direct line of communication to their core fan base no matter what happens. Using it for announcements is precisely the primary reason they claimed to want to keep the forums. So in this case, having an archive of old posts really doesn't have much of a purpose.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

npteljes wrote: post #728
paulryanrogers wrote: post #238

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YT Premium still supports creators while Ublock Origin denies creators one of the easiest ways to be compensated for their work. That's a pretty big difference.

Nothing stops you from doing both, in fact, I think that it's the best of both worlds.

The point is there usually isn't a premium service for sites blocked by UBO. So doing just YT Premium with UBO for other sites would only entrench YT and deny creators on other services a significant source of income.

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Post by HeavyStorm »

cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

The main issue with YouTube isn't YouTube, but the lack of competition.
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