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Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by minikites »

khawkins wrote: post #95
javindo wrote: post #73

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Why is it any more of an issue in software engineering than, say, a singer or actor publicly supporting a cause?

Those are even worse. Why can't we let political discourse stay in political spaces? That used to be the norm and everyone was far less stressed out and amicable for it. Now every space has become a battleground for sociopolitical discourse and we're drawing lines everywhere.

Everything is political. Your ability to ignore that fact is one element of privilege. People without that particular privilege have never been able to separate politics from the rest of their lives, it was never the "norm" for them.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by teraku »

khawkins wrote: post #95
javindo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it any more of an issue in software engineering than, say, a singer or actor publicly supporting a cause?

Those are even worse. Why can't we let political discourse stay in political spaces? That used to be the norm and everyone was far less stressed out and amicable for it. Now every space has become a battleground for sociopolitical discourse and we're drawing lines everywhere.

The implied privilege and obliviousness about it in this comment make me mad.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by EwanToo »

khawkins wrote: post #95
javindo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it any more of an issue in software engineering than, say, a singer or actor publicly supporting a cause?

Those are even worse. Why can't we let political discourse stay in political spaces? That used to be the norm and everyone was far less stressed out and amicable for it. Now every space has become a battleground for sociopolitical discourse and we're drawing lines everywhere.

Standing against discrimination, whether it's taking the form of racism, sexism, homophobia, or something else, isn't a political act.

It's a human rights act.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by jonp888 »

koheripbal wrote: post #55
burgerquizz wrote: post #21

Notepad++ is written by an immigrant (non-french native) . In https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/a-propos-du-tweet-contre-... , the photo says: "Please uninstall Notepad++ if you voted for the National Front" (he was assuming the xenophobic party) Each release has a message on what he believes in: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news

I'm not French, but even if I were and were a NF voter, I doubt I would care about his political tweets let alone uninstall the software as a result. ...as someone not involved in that political fight, I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus. ...but hey,…

I work for a company with a six figure employee count. Notepad++ is available in out internal app store... but with the poltical message in the About dialog removed.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by jmnicolas »

matt_LLVW wrote: post #96
eznzt wrote: post #64

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I assume an overwhelming majority of National Front voters don't want people like him out, they just don't want their salaries dumped and their teachers beheaded. Also, it's not the first time this guy uses his influence as the leader of a popular project to push his politics. It's getting boring.

As a french: your assumption is wrong.

As a French too it is well known here that FN votes have a 5% basis of hardcore far right, the rest is mostly a protest vote.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by smrtinsert »

khawkins wrote: post #95
javindo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it any more of an issue in software engineering than, say, a singer or actor publicly supporting a cause?

Those are even worse. Why can't we let political discourse stay in political spaces? That used to be the norm and everyone was far less stressed out and amicable for it. Now every space has become a battleground for sociopolitical discourse and we're drawing lines everywhere.

Are we supposed to pretend politics has no impact on our day to day lives?

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by lucideer »

gegtik wrote: post #102
lucideer wrote: post #91

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> I persoanlly feel that publicly mixing work and politics is immature and bad for your resume, but to each his own. I think your opinion here is a commonly held one, which I find increasingly frustrating and bizarre. I personally feel that work and politics are by definition inextricably linked, and attempting to separate them as some sanctimonious attempt at taking moral highground is naïve (at best, insincere at w…

That belief is in fact just another form of politics.

Exactly. Politics permeates everything. It's unavoidable, and believing it should be (avoided, or even can be) is the point I find naïve.

Sure, I get (as sibling commenters point out) that this can be tiresome, but just because something bores you doesn't mean pretending it doesn't exist is productive or progressive.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by Dirlewanger »

gadders wrote: post #94
acqq wrote: post #60

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Maybe more context can explain the "unexpectedness": from the New York Times article covering the event in 2004: "Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende called for calm and asked people to let investigators do their job before jumping to conclusions. " Nothing is known about the motive ," he said in written statement." https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/world/europe/dutch-filmma... And even more context, the transcript…

The Washington Post is just as bad: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50205592

Goddamn, there's no way this wasn't intentional. Imagine if Fox News had called Dylann Roof something like a "mild-mannered young man", we would have never heard the end of that.

Frightening to see that from the Post.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by lucideer »

EwanToo wrote: post #123
khawkins wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are even worse. Why can't we let political discourse stay in political spaces? That used to be the norm and everyone was far less stressed out and amicable for it. Now every space has become a battleground for sociopolitical discourse and we're drawing lines everywhere.

Standing against discrimination, whether it's taking the form of racism, sexism, homophobia, or something else, isn't a political act. It's a human rights act.

I'm not sure what people think the word "politics" is. Human rights is politics...

Like... I agree with the sentiment of your comment, 100%. Standing against discrimination is something everyone should (and should feel the right to) do. But.. it is a political act. Which is good.

I understand the context and reasons behind "politics" becoming a taboo word (there is, by definition, "bad"[0] politics). But that doesn't invalidate the "good"[1] politics.

[0][1] Yes, "good" and "bad" are of course subjective.

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