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‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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They are litterally mentioning Norwegian ISPs blocking "Human Rights Watch" right in the next sentence after talking about blocking gambling ads. Am I missing something or how is the one sentence a source and the next one isn't?

If you look further down in this comment thread, that claim has been repeatedly debunked, likewise for Match.com. These sites have never been on any widely adopted DNS blacklist in Norway. It appears censoredplanet analyzed data from a corporate-only ISP.

"looking down this comment thread" is now more science than the findings of acutal scientists? Huh...

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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Of my past 10 posts on HN 6 have been flagged and removed by users. Of those, many made it to the front page with 10+ votes. I contacted Dang and he was clear it was users censoring it, further that some users were also "vouching" for my posts. It's to the point, people don't want to know. I feel I'm fairly even handed in my discussion. Here's a couple of my posts (who knows if I'll get flagged): - Public Safety Anno…

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You are incorrect.

The reason those subjects are largely not discussed here is because this is not the place for discussions such as those.

It's like going to a bird watching event and complaining that they don't respond when you try to argue political points. It's just not an appropriate discussion.

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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Politics is generally off-topic here other than in a few specific posts that are explicitly allowed because they're so newsworthy, like the death of RBG and the media calling the election.

I think the fact that politics can't be discussed here is itself a form of censorship. Because people are not able to freely exchange ideas about politics, you end up with silos. The main reason why the subject of politics causes flame wars is because people are thinking about it emotionally because they have very little actual information to work with. The less sharing of information there is on the subject, the mor…

Yes, Hacker News is censored by the owner. There is no question about that. If you are anti-censorship, this is not the place for you.

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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The big problem in todays age is we can no longer assume the government is accountable to us, or even get straight answers from the right people there. Why can't I ask someone at the government directly exactly what their policy is on blocking websites, which sites are blocked, and what the legal basis for blocking is? And get a real, detailed, authoritative answer? And contest that answer if it does not meet legal s…

Before getting outraged, can we first confirm the story? It seems European countries have blocked gambling ads. There is no source for other claims e.g. human rights website.

Websites can also block address ranges on their side.

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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Of my past 10 posts on HN 6 have been flagged and removed by users. Of those, many made it to the front page with 10+ votes. I contacted Dang and he was clear it was users censoring it, further that some users were also "vouching" for my posts. It's to the point, people don't want to know. I feel I'm fairly even handed in my discussion. Here's a couple of my posts (who knows if I'll get flagged): - Public Safety Anno…

Why isn't this post removed for meta discussion?

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

#586

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If you look further down in this comment thread, that claim has been repeatedly debunked, likewise for Match.com. These sites have never been on any widely adopted DNS blacklist in Norway. It appears censoredplanet analyzed data from a corporate-only ISP.

"looking down this comment thread" is now more science than the findings of acutal scientists? Huh...

I don't know why you view scientists as automagically infallible. Mistakes are quite possible, as are misinterpretations.

For what it's worth I live in Norway. Neither of those domains are DNS blacklisted, nor have they ever been - with the possible exception of on one specific corporate ISP (CATCHCOM). If you disagree, feel free to show some evidence to the contrary.

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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post #474

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Snowden had nothing to do with censorship. I haven't seen a credible accusation of internet censorship against the government in recent memory. Private companies can refuse to serve certain customers. And obviously there's copyright law and government secrecy laws. But no personal expression is banned.

US ”censorship” happens through AI flagging and demoting content, screaming louder than the next guy, distorting the narrative, DMCA takedowns. And it's quite effective. A high percent if people won't ever see the content. One can probably still see it if they take extra steps.

But none of that is government.

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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post #486

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US ”censorship” happens through AI flagging and demoting content, screaming louder than the next guy, distorting the narrative, DMCA takedowns. And it's quite effective. A high percent if people won't ever see the content. One can probably still see it if they take extra steps.

But none of that is government.

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Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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In 1957 there was a television for just about every 5 Americans, an average family size of 3.6 and not that much programming to watch. Mike Wallace effectively gave the KKK a forum reaching everybody in the United States... That's much more effective than Twitter. Your comment doesn't read any better.

You can watch the Eldon Edwards video right now, with a single Google search, to see how untrue it is that the KKK had in 1957 anything resembling the access to the discourse they have today.

If you think the KKK is stronger today than in the 1950s, then you are so ludicrously out of touch that I can't continue this conversation.

They might be able to access more people in raw numbers but we also have a lot more people in raw numbers on the planet. Percentage wise they're insignificant, with virtually all of the country not willing to listen to their bullshit.

As someone from the security industry, you should be a lot more resistant to bogeymen.

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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How should we handle misinformation from official sources? It wasn't that long ago the New York Times told the world they had evidence of Saddam Hussein possessing weapons of mass destruction, setting off a chain of events that literally killed hundreds of thousands of people. In today's political climate, the misinformation that led to the Iraq War could never have been exposed. Edit: surely I'm not the only one who…

Is there even a way to vet information from official sources?

Yes, requesting evidence. If they say it is secret, you should conclude the info is false because it very likely is. If there is strategic need to hold it secret, which would probably be < 1% of cases, the public needs a trustable delegate witness. How much trust the witness has is decided by the public.
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