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NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Post by FpUser »

cbozeman wrote: post #16
voodootrucker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is thoroughly corrupt and immoral, mostly in the name of cold war morality. It's allies would be wise to reconsider who we truly are.

The world will have a master. The question is, who do you want the master to be? Your choices are America, China, or Russia. That's it. You may not like it, but you can't do anything about it, and denying it and raising a fuss about it is childish naivety, not at its finest, but at its absolute worst.

>"The world will have a master. The question is, who do you want the master to be?"

I prefer not to have a single master but a multi-polar world where countries learn to use a diplomacy and do things for a mutual benefit rather than submit to the biggest dick on a street. And I think this is where the world is going.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Post by FpUser »

Dahoon wrote: post #32
cbozeman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world will have a master. The question is, who do you want the master to be? Your choices are America, China, or Russia. That's it. You may not like it, but you can't do anything about it, and denying it and raising a fuss about it is childish naivety, not at its finest, but at its absolute worst.

My wish-list: EU, PRC, USA, Russia - in that order. The US has had its chance.

My wish - all of them and few more so that no one gets funny ideas about ruling the world.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Post by jonnybgood »

thereare5lights wrote: post #33
seppin wrote: post #19

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> Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Because they don't have the capacity. And NSA doesn't steal Huawei IP on behalf of Cisco, quite the opposite.

> behalf of Cisco Cisco is not part of the military industrial complex. Boeing or Lockheed Martin on the other hand, I'd be extremely surprised if our intelligence agencies didn't give them stolen tech.

> Boeing or Lockheed Martin on the other hand, I'd be extremely surprised if our intelligence agencies didn't give them stolen tech.

Assuming we’re talking about military tech. Why should they? What tech is the military and defense industry lacking in that would provide a battlefield advantage that other countries have?

There’s only a handful of non-US weapon systems that can potentially compete with US weapon systems.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Post by [deleted] »

nytgop77 wrote: post #50
fireattack wrote: post #45

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>> But evvvveryone spies on everyone > The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Doesn't it fall into second half of his opinion? "except those who cannot muster the resources to do so". Not that I necessarily agree, but I see no contradiction.

"except those who cannot muster the resources to do so" is about power of countryA vs countryB. Your parent is writing about power of countryAspies vs countryApeople/countryAdemocraticprocess.

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Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Post by jonnybgood »

cambalache wrote: post #42
elefanten wrote: post #35

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That article proves the opposite point, despite the intense message-warping attempted. The report in question is a hypothetical "what if" scenario analysis (one of many) that outlines one possible strategy to address a future where US corporate innovation is not in the top tier. It's not real and it's speculative about the medium-to-long term future. Despite falling over itself to try to imply the US might actually b…

Yeah, you are right I am sure the NSA/CIA will let us know when they decide to do it.

In all the leaked documents is there any indication, even the slightest, such a thing is being done?

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Post by Armisael16 »

FpUser wrote: post #51
cbozeman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world will have a master. The question is, who do you want the master to be? Your choices are America, China, or Russia. That's it. You may not like it, but you can't do anything about it, and denying it and raising a fuss about it is childish naivety, not at its finest, but at its absolute worst.

>"The world will have a master. The question is, who do you want the master to be?" I prefer not to have a single master but a multi-polar world where countries learn to use a diplomacy and do things for a mutual benefit rather than submit to the biggest dick on a street. And I think this is where the world is going.

We had several hundred years of a multipolar world when Europe ran the show. It was know for diplomacy, yes, but not for peace.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Post by kjaftaedi »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #26

Would we expect them not to? "An important developed nation is picking a new fighter. Let's know nothing until it's over with." is hardly good stewardship of your own nation's trust and resources. It's the NSA's job to monitor who is friends with whom so policy makers can make policy. That's not to say the NSA should do anything they can. But it is their proper job to spy on non-Americans for America.

So under this data sharing agreement where the US is sharing data with them, would you say the Danish FE would be failing at their job if they weren't using this system to target American politicians?

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Post by grey-area »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #26

Would we expect them not to? "An important developed nation is picking a new fighter. Let's know nothing until it's over with." is hardly good stewardship of your own nation's trust and resources. It's the NSA's job to monitor who is friends with whom so policy makers can make policy. That's not to say the NSA should do anything they can. But it is their proper job to spy on non-Americans for America.

Nations should spy on enemies, not friends, lest they find themselves without friends.

Also spies should not be used for the benefit of corporations (in this case arms dealers) under cover of ‘national security’.

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