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‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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Post by DickingAround »

p1necone wrote: post #279
chrisco255 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've failed to make the case that the government is not a "bad actor". They've used all sorts of manufactured consensus techniques to get us into unjust wars or to give up our liberties (i.e. mass surveillance, lockdowns, etc) for over-blown threats. We aren't going to get education from the government. Open debate and discussion are really the only cure for propaganda.

What benefit do you think the government gets out of lockdowns? (other than the obvious one of stopping the spread of the pandemic).

Some people debate the ROI of pandemic controls. Also, not all lockdowns are pandemic lockdowns. There have also been curfews unrelated to the pandemic and in some cases predating it.

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Post by Koshkin »

JoshuaDavid wrote: post #218
busterarm wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that the term itself comes from his movement, the "Fasces of Revolutionary Action", and that he coined the word fascism personally in 1919 (after the word "fascio"), I think at the very least he gets to be attributed the lions' share of it.

Newton can be credited as being substantially the inventor of Newtonian Physics. That doesn't make alchemy a sub-field of Newtonian Physics, despite the fact that Newton wrote numerous treatises on alchemy.

> That doesn't make alchemy a sub-field of Newtonian Physics

No, but it does make it part of "Newtonism."

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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Post by einpoklum »

babas wrote: post #101
vinni2 wrote: post #28

> ISPs in Norway are imposing what the study calls “extremely aggressive” blocking across a broader range of content, including human rights websites like Human Rights Watch and online dating sites like Match.com. I have no trouble accessing hrw.org and match.com in Norway. I wonder is it specific to some ISPs? I also couldn’t find any law that was passed to block certain pornogrpahic websites in Wikipedia [1] and I…

When I read that, I immediately dismissed the whole article. Both HRW and match.com are available on the 4/5 ISPs I have access to ATM. Home (Telenor), mobile (Telia), server host (domeneshop), my office (Telia, wired) and a customer network (Not sure about the downstream ISP). On the last one match.com is blocked by a firewall not the ISP. They should really check thier sources. My guess is that they tested on a net…

Piracy sites? That's strange. Why would Norway block sites like: http://t.ly/TdrE ?

I'm sure you got it wrong and what they actually block is Ninja sites.

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Post by Koshkin »

nobody9999 wrote: post #263
busterarm wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or possibly that alchemy has nothing to do with motion and gravitation. Chemistry isn't a sub-field of Physics either.

>Chemistry isn't a sub-field of Physics either. Chemistry is just applied Physics. And yes, for all you mathematicians out there, Physics is just applied math. :)

Except neither is true.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

systemvoltage wrote: post #226
babas wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I read that, I immediately dismissed the whole article. Both HRW and match.com are available on the 4/5 ISPs I have access to ATM. Home (Telenor), mobile (Telia), server host (domeneshop), my office (Telia, wired) and a customer network (Not sure about the downstream ISP). On the last one match.com is blocked by a firewall not the ISP. They should really check thier sources. My guess is that they tested on a net…

It could be a mistake, not an intentional lie.

Could be. But I also don't recall any of the blocking in Poland they refer to.

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Post by konjin »

p1necone wrote: post #279
chrisco255 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've failed to make the case that the government is not a "bad actor". They've used all sorts of manufactured consensus techniques to get us into unjust wars or to give up our liberties (i.e. mass surveillance, lockdowns, etc) for over-blown threats. We aren't going to get education from the government. Open debate and discussion are really the only cure for propaganda.

What benefit do you think the government gets out of lockdowns? (other than the obvious one of stopping the spread of the pandemic).

Mandatory real time tracking of every citizen.

Sounds insane?

So did the patriot act in the 90s.

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Post by reader_mode »

robben1234 wrote: post #275
selestify wrote: post #269

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Why are you so opposed to reading something before commenting on it?

A lot of people aren't interested in discussing linked material and therefore reading it, they just want to have a discussion on the topic of the title.

And in the process turning this site in to a predictable talking-point forum that just gets triggered by random title keywords.

A few weeks back I saw a front page article written in terrible english, being factually wrong on almost all points (it was talking about tech history so you can be objectively wrong), and was like 2 pages of rambling - blogspam 101.

But the title was something complaining about Electron and it was clear that nobody read it and everyone was just bandwagoning on Electron.

Then there was that outrage about a guy who was maintaining faker.js and people spinning same old BS about licenses and how everyone should use GPL - meanwhile it was obvious nobody even looked at what the library did because none of the discussion applied.

So people interested in discussing points should maybe find a different site for this - it's really dragging down the quality of content.

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Post by Koshkin »

busterarm wrote: post #224
JoshuaDavid wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Newton can be credited as being substantially the inventor of Newtonian Physics. That doesn't make alchemy a sub-field of Newtonian Physics, despite the fact that Newton wrote numerous treatises on alchemy.

Or possibly that alchemy has nothing to do with motion and gravitation. Chemistry isn't a sub-field of Physics either.

> has nothing to do with motion and gravitation.

Oh but it does. (The force of gravity is essential for some (al)chemical techniques.)

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Post by nprz »

ketzo wrote: post #130
nprz wrote: post #54

Remember how the usefulness of the internet and social media was championed by media during the Arab Spring movement? Now it's suddenly a threat to our democracy. https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/11/16/21570072/obama-interne...

I mean, in that article, he makes a pretty coherent point: > Obama: If we do not have the capacity to distinguish what’s true from what’s false, then by definition the marketplace of ideas doesn’t work. And by definition our democracy doesn’t work. We are entering into an epistemological crisis. I don't think that's out of place in a conversation about today's internet/media landscape. He's not saying "the internet i…

Mainstream press also has the ability to publish and amplify disinformation, and they do[0]. The internet is a hugely important tool that can be used to shed light on actual power structures and their atrocities. This good of exposing evil and corruption far outweighs the potentially bad outcome of a minority of individuals believing incorrect information.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8mP2jN6bJI

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Post by api »

varispeed wrote: post #40

The problem is that we didn't teach people about manipulation techniques because that was governments' favourite tool to control the masses. Now that anybody can reach anyone with any information, bad actors use these techniques to control people to their advantage. Governments' are now in an awkward position - ramp up education in these areas and forever give up a tool that worked for ages, or censor the information…

> The problem is that we didn't teach people about manipulation techniques because that was governments' favourite tool to control the masses. Now that anybody can reach anyone with any information, bad actors use these techniques to control people to their advantage. Governments' are now in an awkward position - ramp up education in these areas and forever give up a tool that worked for ages, or censor the information in hope that bad actors will not influence the public.

That is by FAR the best summary of the issue I have read.

Analogy:

It's as if we've been living behind castle walls and now those walls are gone. We can now be directly attacked by enemy armies, whereas before we could only be practically reached by our own government's police and military. Having been sheltered for so long, we don't know how to hold our own without those walls.

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