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My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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> Somewhere along the way, I realize that apps like TikTok and Instagram are impervious to Apple’s Screen Time limit. They work even when the rest of her phone shuts down. To keep the peace, I let it slide. The author is completely wrong about this, so I can only assume that their kid is indeed being creative and has manipulated them into believing it. Overall... this does seem like an "onset of adolescence" thing. 2…

2000 years ago and Plato would say that books ruins creativity.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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> She used to rush to our bed as soon as she woke, demanding cuddles and to “Talk Friends.” We played with puppets and stuffed animals in the morning, getting the “friends” to sing and act out scenes from plays like Robin Hood and Beauty and the Beast.

I'm sure this sucks to experience, and I'll experience it in my due time, but - your kid has friends now, and is no longer wholly dependent on you. It's life. Before cellphones, this person would be lamenting that her kid was spending all her time at the mall with her friends, or off in the woods running around with the neighborhood children.

You gotta let Rapunzel out of the tower.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Buried lede: > My daughter doesn’t return home from school until 6:30 pm and still has to eat, bathe, and get ready for bed. Perhaps it is not just the iPhone, but school taking up 100% of her time, energy, and attention that is preventing her from pursuing creative interests? As a homeschooling parent whose kids have been in school at times, I see this first hand. School is exhausting . Between rising unnaturally ea…

> School is exhausting. Between rising unnaturally early (which leaves kids tired), rushing and bustling kids on their daily commute, most of the daylight hours blocked for school then homework when you get home I will point out though that, if one is inclined to argue that school should prepare children for adult life, it sounds like this system is a pretty good mimic of the working life any given child is likely to…

Is it, though? How many jobs will there be 10-20 years down the road where the main requirement is to be able to sit still for 8 hrs, ask before you go pee, and do as you're told? How many of these jobs will be automated instead? Or, differently, is that the kind of job you would want your kids to have?

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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"What a load of shit", "all these problems are your fault." Really? This comment just seems like ego-driven parental grandstanding rather than an actual attempt to understand how the first generation born into the era of smartphones and all-the-time internet access might have difficulty negotiating a healthy psyche against a multi-billions dollar oligarchy of companies intentionally seeking to monetize their attentio…

It’s not ego driven but there was anger on my side. I hate it when we blame technology first, which seems to be the point of this article. Kids can absolutely be addicted to phones that’s true. But it’s the job of the parent to set limits, this person admits in the article that her daughter wore her down and flaunted the limits and there were no consequences. So yeah she may be addicted now, which we can’t really dia…

I don't think the article made this differentiation specifically, but I don't see this as blaming technology, but ad-driven companies engineering skinner boxes. It is well understood that advertising companies wreak havoc on children's health (tobacco, body image, sugar, etc). We should hold these companies accountable.

While there were definitely lax restrictions here, there are more factors here (societal pressure, both cultural and literal; the article indicated that study groups and other activities were coordinated solely on social media) that affect one's proneness to phone addiction.

In addition, in the article linked above (and others), parenting is not _the_ bellwether preventative in terms of phone addiction - there are psychological factors, environmental factors, etc.

In addition, there are societal variations across gender that are documented as having an affect on proneness to phone addiction.

Don't let your individual experience override the reality of the situation. This is an issue that is going to require extensive research and potentially regulation.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Turning that into a career seems like a moonshot, making it comparable to other "achieve celebrity" plans young adults may have (become a movie star, become a famous youtuber, become a famous rockstar, etc) I think in general these aspirations shouldn't be shat on, but young adults with these aspirations should probably be gently guided in more realistic directions.

You dont have too, the time investment is minimal,many girls were already taking erotic pics anyway. If you are attractive you can ride that wave for several years and keep living your life normally. I've noticed that many of these girls are college students and the money from their admirers is useful to buy clothes, gadgets and to take their boyfriends to fancy vacations. So as long as you are aware this is a bubble…

I don't know what you mean by 'you don't have to.' The claim above is that there is a difference between learning how to program and having an onlyfans account. Your response was to say the difference is that the latter makes money. My response to that is the former is more likely to turn it into a career. I don't see where compulsions come into it.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Quote: "If she’s eating dinner early and by herself, I’ll let her keep watching James Charles on YouTube"

Well, that right there is your mistake. Instead of James Charles introduce her to VSauce or Primitive Technology or any number of youtube channels that are truly related to creativity /mind inquiry.

I used to watch a lot of Discovery Channels on TV when I grew up in the 90's. Some stuff I've learned back then it became gateway drug to tinker with electronics, which led to my current profession as programmer.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Tomato tomato You can communicate via a method your parents can't because you used it extensively in your prime while they didn't. Your grandparents probably had the same issue with fax machines and your grandchildren will probably have the same problem with neural-messaging. Every generation thinks "but this time it's different" and every generation is wrong.

Nobody ever ended up going down a "Fax" rabbit-hole, or becoming depressed because they spend an hour before bed each night compulsively faxing.

How many people sent a fax to a tow truck when they got in an accident? How many people met their future spouse faxing?

Conversely, how many people have been scammed out of their life savings by nigerian princes? How many people developed a poor work life balance as they could now do work from home any time?

I'm not going to argue that smart phones have no issues, but everything that came before had issues too, and all were abandoned when something better came along.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Sure, but I'm not saying "everybody should try streaming for a living." I'm saying it's not true that kids using iPhones is always a dead-end timesuck.

You're taking one example and generalizing it. I'm sure someone did something productive with cocaine once too, but that's not generally its outcome. (just a random example that occurs to me, I do not agree with the "War on some drugs" btw it was just an example)

I'm sorry, I fail to see how providing a counter-example to someone pooh-poohing phone use by children is now analogous to advocating for productive cocaine use.

It seem unproductive to deal with bizarre flights of fancy on the part of HN commenters, so I'll get back to my phone or something else productive now.

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