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Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by pwinnski »

floren wrote: post #108
pwinnski wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The head of technical support at the company for which I work recently quit her job to support her husband's streaming career. He makes in three months more than I do in a year. This idea that things like iPhones, or video games, or any other piece of technology cannot possibly be productive or profitable in the future, it's got to die. When I was young, my passion for computers meant I wouldn't become the lawyer peo…

> The head of technical support at the company for which I work recently quit her job to support her husband's streaming career. He makes in three months more than I do in a year. For every one of those, there are hundreds of streamers who quit their jobs to focus on streaming but ended up broke, and thousands of streamers who spend every free moment outside of their day job trying to build a following but never get…

Sure, but I'm not saying "everybody should try streaming for a living." I'm saying it's not true that kids using iPhones is always a dead-end timesuck.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

sequoia wrote: post #87

Buried lede: > My daughter doesn’t return home from school until 6:30 pm and still has to eat, bathe, and get ready for bed. Perhaps it is not just the iPhone, but school taking up 100% of her time, energy, and attention that is preventing her from pursuing creative interests? As a homeschooling parent whose kids have been in school at times, I see this first hand. School is exhausting . Between rising unnaturally ea…

> School is exhausting. Between rising unnaturally early (which leaves kids tired), rushing and bustling kids on their daily commute, most of the daylight hours blocked for school then homework when you get home

I will point out though that, if one is inclined to argue that school should prepare children for adult life, it sounds like this system is a pretty good mimic of the working life any given child is likely to have after they eventually leave school. Just replace homework with non-work obligations (or a second job).

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by jancsika »

jjk166 wrote: post #81
minusthebrandon wrote: post #61

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My parents struggling with e-mail is no way the same thing as lacking social skills. That just seems a lack of technology skills. My point was that saying Snapchat or social media leads to greater social skills than what previous generations had is very hard for me to believe.

Tomato tomato You can communicate via a method your parents can't because you used it extensively in your prime while they didn't. Your grandparents probably had the same issue with fax machines and your grandchildren will probably have the same problem with neural-messaging. Every generation thinks "but this time it's different" and every generation is wrong.

Nobody ever ended up going down a "Fax" rabbit-hole, or becoming depressed because they spend an hour before bed each night compulsively faxing.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by sjg007 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #121
zubspace wrote: post #77

I believe this is a huge problem in our society. And I recommmend everyone who downplays it to watch "The social dilemma". There are a few aspects which are worrying: - Social pressure to be connected constantly increases for children below 14 years. - Sites like TikTok, Reddit, Twitter, etc. are designed to be addictive. Children at such a young age do not have the same level of self control like you. - The longer k…

The Social Dilemma struck me as a pretty manipulative movie. It depicted recommendation algorithms as three evil scheming clones, interspersed with a skit showing a family with the worst case of social media addiction the writers could imagine. This provides huge latitude to exaggerate and mislead. I don't think many people would explicitly endorse the claim that social media addiction is so bad, preteens can't last…

There's a three episode show on PBS called 'Hacking your Mind' which I think is better than the social dilemma.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by martokus »

The forbidden fruit tastes best, right.

My theory is that like everything this requires a balance and gradual introduction. Start early, let kids make mistakes, punish them for said mistakes, let them learn lessons.

Enforcing super strict rules has never helped anyone I think. 1h a day is quite strict in my opinion especially if consumed in multiple sessions. If I had just started doing something and it took me 15min to get fully absorbed and in 15min I had to call it quits I'd be pretty angry myself to be honest.

I can make an analogy with access to sweets here. Our boy aged 6 now has had unrestricted access to a cupboard full of variety of sweets since he was 3. And believe me he loves sweets! Technically he can go and take as many sweets as many times as he wants to and no one would probably understand. But we've said it is 2 sweets a day, reasonable quantities. This was strictly enforced early on and now we can 100% trust him to pick whatever he wants when he wants. Because he knows when is a good time and what is a good amount. He'll even come home from school some days and say he'll only eat one sweet today as they've had chocolate cake for pudding at school.

So cut your kids some slack and let them learn themselves rather than locking everything behind locks - physical or digital.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by onemoresoop »

jjk166 wrote: post #116
onemoresoop wrote: post #94

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It's not about the pandemic, it's not even about phones but about the technology/software running on them that turn them into skinner boxes.

It's not about the concerts, it's not even about the guitars, it's about the music played on them that turns kids into satanists. If covid happened in 1990, we'd all be on our land lines for 9 hours a day, and there would be nothing wrong with that either.

I'm not a conservative and grew up listening to the music others where considering bad and were on the other side of the fence, they were an outdated generation in my eyes then.

Now as I got older I realize a lot of it was just crap stuffed into our faces keeping us from discovering the real good artists out there. Those folks did have a point here and there. A lot of that music was pumped by the music industry purely to make money and similarly this addictive software is doing the same thing with amplified effects and more shamelessness.

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Post by nineplay »

sequoia wrote: post #87

Buried lede: > My daughter doesn’t return home from school until 6:30 pm and still has to eat, bathe, and get ready for bed. Perhaps it is not just the iPhone, but school taking up 100% of her time, energy, and attention that is preventing her from pursuing creative interests? As a homeschooling parent whose kids have been in school at times, I see this first hand. School is exhausting . Between rising unnaturally ea…

I very much doubt her kid is "in school" until 6:30. More likely she is in a after-school program, and most after-school programs are part homework help, part play. My kid misses her after-school program terribly as it was more of an extended playdate with her best friends.

It is hard when they come home and their evenings are packed, but I wouldn't make it out as all bad or all exhausting.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by bigbubba »

cambalache wrote: post #63
bcfgh123 wrote: post #57

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Isn't a boy coding assembly a bit different than a girl doing TikTok, OnlyFans etc.?

Yes, a girl doing OnlyFans is making money.

Turning that into a career seems like a moonshot, making it comparable to other "achieve celebrity" plans young adults may have (become a movie star, become a famous youtuber, become a famous rockstar, etc)

I think in general these aspirations shouldn't be shat on, but young adults with these aspirations should probably be gently guided in more realistic directions.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by Jolter »

bcfgh123 wrote: post #57
parksy wrote: post #45

My dad smashed my computer around the laundry (where the computer lived) with my cricket bat because I was "playing games" instead of studying. "playing games" was using assembly language and pascal with s3m libraries to program a game. With my kids I've felt the rise of anger when they want to be autonomous and pursue their own interests. I mean, I was taught that parenthood is subjugation. But just like my dad coul…

Isn't a boy coding assembly a bit different than a girl doing TikTok, OnlyFans etc.?

Isn’t Onlyfans a porn community?
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