Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

delistedgames.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

71–80 of 153 posts

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

#71

Post by epanchin »

vultour wrote: post #65
kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pa…

A PlayStation 5 is £450 and will smoothly play any game I buy for it. PlayStation+ for 7 years is £350.

Total cost excluding games is £800 for 7 years of smooth gameplay.

An £800 PC wouldn’t even play current games smoothly, never mind releases in 7 years.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

#72

Post by unishark »

thomasedwards wrote: post #13
lanevorockz wrote: post #6

On the age of Cancel Culture, History is Offensive.

Erm, I think it’s the exact opposite? People want you to learn about history so we don’t make the same mistakes

I think modern "censorship" is about how the self-described victim feels about the information, not its inherit value or the intention of the person sharing it. There was a story a couple years ago about students complaining some history topic made them feel upset (slavery maybe?) and demanding something be done about that.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

#74

Post by loriverkutya »

vultour wrote: post #65
kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pa…

> I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles

Because I buy it once and I can play each and every game in the next 5-7 years without spendig money on hardware upgrade.

> The controls are terrible

I'm ok with them, I'm not into hardcore competitive multi fps

>the FPS is terrible

you mean you cannot get 60 FPS for each and every game? Yeah sure, but I don't really need it.

>the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV

why would it be?

> paying money if you want to play multiplayer

I usually buy ps+ when it is discounted, so I pay about $5 in a month and I usually get two free games for that price.

>you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale

You can buy ps4 games secondhand usually half price if you wait a month after the release, at least in the uk. Also, even AAA titles are heavily discounted during the summer sale on ps4.

So you probably payed much more for hardware upgrades than I payed for the console and for the games in the last 7 years since ps4 is out :)

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

#75

Post by baobabKoodaa »

nichch wrote: post #2

https://web.archive.org/web/20201117163017/https://delistedg...

I wish people would start releasing their static content with CDNs instead of burning money at expensive hosting solutions that don't scale.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

#76

Post by egypturnash »

vultour wrote: post #65
kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pa…

Costs less, lets you kick back on a couch, setup and maintenance is a couple orders of less magnitude less complicated, much smaller attack surface for malware.

Oh yeah, and the internet subscription also tends to come with a constant stream of free games. Every month there’s a couple new things to play that cost more than your month’s subscription.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

#77

Post by victords »

kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

> what about PS3 or 360 games?

That's only true for PS3 tho. Microsoft has been doing quite a good job regarding backwards compatibility, and you can still play 360 games in the new Series X.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

#78

Post by bartread »

fiskfiskfisk wrote: post #35
kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

There's a pretty good list of backwards compatible 360 games that can be played on the modern Xbox consoles. Microsoft did the work in this case. Since it's different architectures there's a bit of work involved in making sure the compatibility layer works as expected. It's a technical achievement that they've been able to do it as good as this. There's also OG Xbox games available with a compatibility layer as well.…

For supported games this works incredibly well, and I imagine there's probably no technical reason it couldn't be made to work for all 360 and Xbox OG games.

However, it doesn't appear to come for free in terms of effort: I don't believe there's a kind of universal emulation layer that supports every game. When you put in a game disc for a support Xbox or 360 game the console doesn't install the game direct from the disc but rather downloads a compatible version from Microsoft. The disc simply proves that you own the game (and you still have to insert it every time you want to play the game).

This has some advantages and disadvantages. The obvious advantage is that the downloaded version could include enhancements like better visuals, sound effects, bug fixes, etc., and plenty of games on the backwards compatibility list do include some level of enhancement.

The obvious disadvantage is that you can't just play any old game you might own. I don't know why Microsoft haven't implemented some sort of universal backwards compatibility directly into the consoles but obviously they have their reasons.

The fact that the games are downloaded rather than installed from disc throws up another issue: licensing. It will never be the case that all games are supported through backwards compatibility due to content licensing issues (effectively Microsoft are redistributing content because of the way compatibility works).

Similarly, some games ship with altered content due to licensing issues. One fairly well know example here is GTA: San Andreas, where the soundtrack differs quite significantly from the version on the disc. The best way to play GTA: San Andreas on a console if you want to experience it as originally intended still remains original PS2 or Xbox hardware or, if you have one that works still, earlier models of PS3 that included PS2 backwards compatibility (this was removed in later revisions).

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

#79

Post by kuu »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #43
kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

I wouldn't exactly call it "forced obsolescence". Backwards compatibility is a niche feature used by a tiny fraction of the customer base very occasionally (who invariably still have the old hardware), and console manufacturers dump millions into added BOM cost/engineering time to get it working despite the economics making almost zero sense.

Seen how it's announced as a key feature of this generation as long as many remakes they're making, I wouldn't call it a niche feature...
Post reply on HN