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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by coding123 »

Impashin wrote: post #270
uoaei wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The state" refers to the governing apparatus, not a particular state within the union. I understand there may be some confusion if you are not familiar with the US government and typical ways of talking about it.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-10/ Please cite me where the power to enact a requirement to wear masks is explicitly granted to the federal government. I'll wait.

The most SIMPLE explanation for you is the following, and it has nothing to do with Laws.

When Trump was given his presidential megaphone he was able to convince a LOT of people to not wear masks by simply not wearing one and then telling people that's fine. At least by taking away the megaphone that's a step in the right direction. Even if there's no specific law that backs him up, that alone may save lives.

Second, even if technically not legal, presidential orders are OFTEN followed. It can be challenged in the courts for years but in the mean time, an order like that will probably have the effect of getting at least another 50M masks put on. That's a fucking win.

The other thing that is 100% legal, is the executive branch can restrict funding in specific ways if a state does not behave. If I was Biden, I would start there.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by coding123 »

zests wrote: post #443
ryandrake wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of examples of unpopular rules successfully enforced, from school integration to the War On Drugs. The lack of mask/distancing enforcement is purely government cowardice and indifference. They could do it if they wanted to. Publicly fire a few county bumpkin Sheriffs who refuse to enforce the mandates and you'd see an attitude change.

So when people protest, are you going to break up the protests?

That's the thing, in rural Oregon they protested the election, but they're definitely walking into grocery stores wearing the masks.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by nemoniac »

whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Is there any correlation between mask-wearing areas and Biden/Trump voting patterns? I'd be very interested to see someone pull up the data.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by xlm1717 »

chaostheory wrote: post #437
xlm1717 wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting to see you say the SF Bay Area is much better than most of the country, while this article says the Bay Area is experiencing significant population decline: https://www.publiccommentsf.com/post/u-s-postal-service-data...

I was talking specifically about its execution of COVID-19 mitigation. Taxes, and other issues are a completely different subject.

Should've specified that in the original comment, because significant population loss is not doing well.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by onecommentman »

whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Deaths per capita from COVID for the States you referred to, as reported by State health sites mid November 2020:

Nevada: 1 in 1600

Utah: 1 in 4500

Montana: 1 in 2200

North Dakota: 1 in 1300

Minnesota: (outside of the 7 county Twin Cities) 1 in 3700

Michigan: (outside of Detroit area) 1 in 3600

In comparison

Where you moved from (Orange County CA)

1 in 2000

Where you moved to (Michigan/Detroit area Wayne/Detroit City/Oakland/Macomb) 1 in 350, not 1 in 3500, that’s one in three hundred and fifty.

If you moved to someplace six times deadlier (from a COVID standpoint), I’m guessing you have bigger problems to worry about than the COVID public health posture of those States you travelled through...

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by scarmig »

onecommentman wrote: post #455
whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Deaths per capita from COVID for the States you referred to, as reported by State health sites mid November 2020: Nevada: 1 in 1600 Utah: 1 in 4500 Montana: 1 in 2200 North Dakota: 1 in 1300 Minnesota: (outside of the 7 county Twin Cities) 1 in 3700 Michigan: (outside of Detroit area) 1 in 3600 In comparison Where you moved from (Orange County CA) 1 in 2000 Where you moved to (Michigan/Detroit area Wayne/Detroit City…

Implicit in your comment is the assumption that places that have had the highest death rates so far have more to worry about than places that have had the lowest death rates so far.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

scarmig wrote: post #456
onecommentman wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deaths per capita from COVID for the States you referred to, as reported by State health sites mid November 2020: Nevada: 1 in 1600 Utah: 1 in 4500 Montana: 1 in 2200 North Dakota: 1 in 1300 Minnesota: (outside of the 7 county Twin Cities) 1 in 3700 Michigan: (outside of Detroit area) 1 in 3600 In comparison Where you moved from (Orange County CA) 1 in 2000 Where you moved to (Michigan/Detroit area Wayne/Detroit City…

Implicit in your comment is the assumption that places that have had the highest death rates so far have more to worry about than places that have had the lowest death rates so far.

We got here by whalesalad complaining about people that don't wear masks. What's the point of masks? To slow the spread of the disease. So unless you've got some reason to think that death rates per infection are radically higher in Detroit than anywhere else along the route, then death rates are a somewhat-imperfect-but-still-somewhat-useful proxy for infection rates.

And therefore your comment is pretty pointless. If Detroit is doing worse about preventing infection than all these places that aren't using masks, then being there for the next month is probably going to be worse than passing through all those non-mask-using places for a week or two. (Unless you have reason to think that Detroit not only reached herd immunity, but did so long enough ago that people aren't currently contagious there. But if you think that, I'd like to see your data. More, I'd like to see why you think that about Detroit but not about the non-mask-using-and-therefore-presumably-spreading hinterlands.)

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

xlm1717 wrote: post #454
chaostheory wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking specifically about its execution of COVID-19 mitigation. Taxes, and other issues are a completely different subject.

Should've specified that in the original comment, because significant population loss is not doing well.

The whole conversation is about infections from Covid. I don't think that chaostheory needed to explicitly state the context. Everyone in every post in every thread does not need to state the entire context. That's what threads are for.

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Post by bb88 »

rzz3 wrote: post #320
Rooster61 wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the more advanced countries, such as Thailand, this is automated. Having facial recognition everywhere isn't necessarily considered "advanced" in all circles. Technically, perhaps. Ethically? Not so much. Facial recognition could be put everywhere in the US. Its primarily the political, legal, and social culture that prevents it, not the access to sufficient technology.

Facial recognition everywhere is a horrifying thought.

Some might see a million dead people as a worse thought.

I don't really like the idea of facial recognition, but the political class lives in a public facing world where every move they make is scrutinized. So they see the world maybe differently than when they're private citizens.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by jonsno56 »

onecommentman wrote: post #455
whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Deaths per capita from COVID for the States you referred to, as reported by State health sites mid November 2020: Nevada: 1 in 1600 Utah: 1 in 4500 Montana: 1 in 2200 North Dakota: 1 in 1300 Minnesota: (outside of the 7 county Twin Cities) 1 in 3700 Michigan: (outside of Detroit area) 1 in 3600 In comparison Where you moved from (Orange County CA) 1 in 2000 Where you moved to (Michigan/Detroit area Wayne/Detroit City…

Here we go again boohooing about the death rate. Since death is all that matters to you? Never mind that actually getting COVID sucks
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