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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by bryanlarsen »

cltby wrote: post #99
whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Given that we're seeing the same spike in our big, coastal metro areas, perhaps the problem is more complicated than rural attitudes towards Covid. [0] https://outbreak.info/epidemiology?location=METRO_42660%3BME...

NY: 231 cases per million SD: 1609 cases per million

https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by cultus »

analyte123 wrote: post #96

Obviously, it isn't right to be rude to nurses but it probably also isn't right to sneer at people on their deathbed who don't want to accept that they're dying or really understand why, and blame them for their disease even though we have no idea how they got it. I think some people dying in hospitals from COVID have a right to be mad at the medical system. Did these patients get any of the 5+ antiviral or immunomod…

People in the healthcare system are doing the best they can, putting their lives at risk to help people, with insufficient resources.

Every should be very, very angry. It should be directed at politicians and corporations, not middle or working-class individuals trying their best.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by sam0x17 »

Mindless2112 wrote: post #109
sam0x17 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no "mass-delusion" on the far left. We are literally at a point where the current daily cases mean that a month from now we will be having around 3-4k deaths per day based on how many people are already infected NOW. That's a 9/11 terrorist attack per day in deaths. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is delusional.

The delusion of the left is that central planning and control will prevent the spread of the virus. That's not exactly wrong -- it just has to be the level of government control that China has. A lot of Americans, myself included, won't tolerate that. (And for the record, I wear a mask.)

It's more of a battle of public opinion -- if people on the right were consistent about mask wearing, and didn't believe that they are immune or the virus is fake or whatever, our ability to contain this would be much greater. Sure, we can't force mask wearing at a federal level, but it sure would help if everyone on Fox and Newsmax were working to encourage the use of masks. That would have more weight than any federal or local mandate unfortunately, so it's unproductive to raise the point you're raising, though I agree.

This also comes down to enforcement. Even if a federal mandate were somehow passed, if the people's hearts aren't in it in red areas, cops won't enforce it in those areas and it will be a joke. It really is 100% about public opinion.

To your point though, I'm pretty extreme left, and I don't think we are going to have an easy time containing it by any means. It is going to continue to rise months and possibly years into a Biden administration, but I think we'll still have a lot less deaths. No one on the left thinks this is magically going away, even with a vaccine. Distribution and production of a vaccine is incredibly difficult logistically, and these things need to be refrigerated. So at best we're looking at like a year from now we all get a vaccine imo.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by hcknwscommenter »

claudeganon wrote: post #80
joshmarlow wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It kind of sounds like you're just describing the vulnerability that other state actors can exploit... Which doesn't argue against point in the parent post.

Right, but the supposition is that such exploits are the source of mass delusions. There are plenty of people who think COVID is a hoax who didn’t arrive at that kind of thinking because of foreign intelligence operations. It’s regurgitated daily by right wing American politicians and media.

>It’s regurgitated daily by right wing American politicians and media.

Who are themselves (purposefully or unwittingly) part of a foreign intelligence operation.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by uoaei »

Claudus wrote: post #94
seankimdesign wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a quote from Robert Redfield, the director of CDC. > We are not defenseless against COVID-19. Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus -- particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities. I trust his expertise and judgment. What's the b…

I’d say the basis in the US is freedoms guaranteed by The Constitution, just like the basis for smoking, drinking, using recreational drugs, having an unhealthy diet, riding a motorcycle, not exercising regularly, etc.

"Freedom" doesn't mean "do whatever people tell you not to do".

That pattern of behavior is just edgelord/trolling bullshit.

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Post by dang »

jeffbezos982134 wrote: post #86
andy318 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the move working out for you, btw?

I have lived in Philadelphia for almost 8 years now and it’s making less and less sense to live here. City taxes are high, housing prices are steadily increasing, making changes to property is an expensive, bureaucratic nightmare, parking is a nightmare, etc. There aren’t (m)any good places to work that pay well enough to justify the taxes and cost of living. The winter is cold and dreary, the summer is humid. If not…

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by freewilly1040 »

newguy1234 wrote: post #84
jimkleiber wrote: post #11

My friend works in the covid ICU here in Michigan and told me yesterday that she's seeing a dramatic increase in patients who are getting angry at her and still believing that covid is not real. When she asks where they may have caught it, they sometimes say at a wedding with 100 people where no one was wearing masks. I can't imagine how emotionally taxing it was to be a healthcare worker attending to people with cov…

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You can see a lot about someone's political leanings by where they place the blame for turning an issue political.

To state the obvious counter, Trump has politicized mask wearing by setting an example of refusing to wear one, and resisting being seen taking any personal virus precautions at all.

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Post by bleepblorp »

newguy1234 wrote: post #84
jimkleiber wrote: post #11

My friend works in the covid ICU here in Michigan and told me yesterday that she's seeing a dramatic increase in patients who are getting angry at her and still believing that covid is not real. When she asks where they may have caught it, they sometimes say at a wedding with 100 people where no one was wearing masks. I can't imagine how emotionally taxing it was to be a healthcare worker attending to people with cov…

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One of the first things Trump said about SARS-CoV-2 is that it was a 'Democratic' 'hoax.'

How do you focus on educating against that, when any contradiction of Trump will be seen by his followers as a purely political act?

People wouldn't believe the virus is hoax if they hadn't been told it was a hoax, and that's absolutely not a 'both sides bad' issue.

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