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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by freewilly1040 »

whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

My experience on a similar trip was that virus diligence bottomed out in the Dakotas. I went to a restaurant, and their mask warning said something to the effect of "please wear a mask, if you don't we'll assume you have a health condition." Of course, the restaurant was filled to capacity without a mask in sight.

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Post by Thiez »

seankimdesign wrote: post #63
Claudus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

Here's a quote from Robert Redfield, the director of CDC. > We are not defenseless against COVID-19. Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus -- particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities. I trust his expertise and judgment. What's the b…

Here in the Netherlands Jaap van Dissel (who holds a similar position to your Robert Redfield) remains unconvinced of the effectiveness of non-medical masks and argues they may do more harm than good. But admitting to trusting his expertise and judgement will probably get you downvoted around here.

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Post by hcknwscommenter »

newguy1234 wrote: post #84
jimkleiber wrote: post #11

My friend works in the covid ICU here in Michigan and told me yesterday that she's seeing a dramatic increase in patients who are getting angry at her and still believing that covid is not real. When she asks where they may have caught it, they sometimes say at a wedding with 100 people where no one was wearing masks. I can't imagine how emotionally taxing it was to be a healthcare worker attending to people with cov…

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>we have made a very big mistake by turning this issue into political one. For example, by criticizing Trump on his COVID-19 plan

Huh? "We" have made a very big mistake by turning this issue into a political one. However, the mistake was in failing to criticize Trump from the very beginning. Twitter should have canceled his account when he put out that tweet calling COVID a hoax (in March?). Corporate America should have stood up in a united fashion and put out a pro-mask/anti-Trump message. Every health care administer should have put out PR immediately debunking Trump's nonsense. The idea that we should have avoided criticizing the guy who stupidly made this thing political in the first place is just crazy to me.

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Post by remote_phone »

01100011 wrote: post #81
remote_phone wrote: post #31

Basically the US’s complete disregard for public education is now coming to a head. I remember one study that said the US students were one of the lowest in terms of education but the absolute highest in terms of self confidence. We are reaping what we have sowed for decades now. We have such a vast uneducated population that this coronavirus is almost more like a horrifying culling of the uneducated than anything el…

> 50% of the population has IQ below 100 Lots of people have IQs of 100. If you have a moment, I'd like to understand why you think half of the population has an IQ below 100, and why that might be significant. Does an IQ of 98 or 99 deem a person a moron? I agree that the US has an issue with how education is viewed in the popular culture. I would bet, without any acutal supporting data, that compliance with mask or…

By definition, the median IQ is 100.

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Post by amb23 »

remote_phone wrote: post #31

Basically the US’s complete disregard for public education is now coming to a head. I remember one study that said the US students were one of the lowest in terms of education but the absolute highest in terms of self confidence. We are reaping what we have sowed for decades now. We have such a vast uneducated population that this coronavirus is almost more like a horrifying culling of the uneducated than anything el…

> I hate to be so blunt, but 50% of the population has IQ below 100.

This is by design. IQ scores are a normal distribution with a mean of 100...

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Post by oceanplexian »

pengaru wrote: post #14
djsumdog wrote: post #2

This feels like it's just to shame everyone based on very few eccentrics. I'm sure most people in SD agree COVID is real, but it's also not a very densely populated state with small cities, and the governors response seems appropriate. It's keep the economy from totally collapsing. I drove to Sioux Falls a few weeks ago, just to be some place normal. It was nice just being able to go into a brew pub or an indoor rest…

> I drove to Sioux Falls a few weeks ago, just to be some place normal. It was nice just being able to go into a brew pub or an indoor restaurant, and talk to people. Too bad it was only for a few days. Frivolous travel for the express purpose of not social distancing during the throes of a pandemic... smh, what a prick.

Traveling makes absolutely no difference when both the place you're traveling from and the place you're traveling to have widespread virus transmission.

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Post by hcknwscommenter »

orangecat wrote: post #85
skyzyx wrote: post #26

Yes, the pandemic fatigue is real. Yes, it would be wonderful to hang out with my friends in person, or to drive 100 miles crossing the border to go visit my children. But the reason this is lasting so long, and things are shutting back down is because people are ignoring the truth. You can talk about the economy all day long, but the fact of the matter is that if we all would’ve taken this seriously and shut everyth…

the fact of the matter is that if we all would’ve taken this seriously and shut everything down, we would be through the worst of it already This isn't supported by the available evidence. Spain was forbidding people from leaving their homes except for essentials, and now they're worse off than the US in terms of hospitalizations and deaths. Many other countries also had stronger lockdowns that have not spared them f…

Spain did do real lockdowns and it worked. And then they stopped doing real lockdowns. So it is in fact supported by the evidence.

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Post by veemjeem »

whalesalad wrote: post #45
Claudus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

Even if 10 years from now we discover that wearing a mask was a completely pointless endeavor .... the cost of wearing a mask is SO LOW that it is worth doing it. But it is scientifically proven to limit the rate of the spread, which is the least I can do to protect myself and those around me. I don't care if I get covid ... I don't think it will kill me based on my vitals. However, we don't fully understand the long…

I think the pre-existing condition is what scares me the most. There have been studies on people who recovered from SARS, and these people still suffer from fatigue and brain fog over 4 years later.

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Post by rebuilder »

Claudus wrote: post #94
seankimdesign wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a quote from Robert Redfield, the director of CDC. > We are not defenseless against COVID-19. Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus -- particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities. I trust his expertise and judgment. What's the b…

I’d say the basis in the US is freedoms guaranteed by The Constitution, just like the basis for smoking, drinking, using recreational drugs, having an unhealthy diet, riding a motorcycle, not exercising regularly, etc.

I don't think the constitution requires you to smoke? Just like it doesn't require you not to wear a mask. So given you can freely choose to wear a mask and help save lives and reduce the severity of this pandemic, why would you not?

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Post by mike_h »

GregarianChild wrote: post #88
skyzyx wrote: post #26

Yes, the pandemic fatigue is real. Yes, it would be wonderful to hang out with my friends in person, or to drive 100 miles crossing the border to go visit my children. But the reason this is lasting so long, and things are shutting back down is because people are ignoring the truth. You can talk about the economy all day long, but the fact of the matter is that if we all would’ve taken this seriously and shut everyth…

The country dealing better than any other with Covid has been Taiwan. No lockdown and > 200 days without new Covid case [1] see e.g. [2] for how they did it. It probably helped having had an epidemiologist as vice-president [3]. Russia is winning. Why did you have to end an otherwise insightful post with a many-times debunked conspiracy theory? May I recommend removing the last paragraph? [1] https://www.theguardian.…

It's not just Taiwan, it's all of East Asia. At this point it's beyond irresponsible for people to keep comparing the US's handling to other Western nations – EA showed how it's done (in both democratic and autocratic societies), but we have some weird cultural blind spot that makes us not want to see.
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