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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by ashtonbaker »

Claudus wrote: post #94
seankimdesign wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a quote from Robert Redfield, the director of CDC. > We are not defenseless against COVID-19. Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus -- particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities. I trust his expertise and judgment. What's the b…

I’d say the basis in the US is freedoms guaranteed by The Constitution, just like the basis for smoking, drinking, using recreational drugs, having an unhealthy diet, riding a motorcycle, not exercising regularly, etc.

To choose not to wear a mask is not like your other examples, because it increases not only the risk to yourself, but to those around you.

I don't necessarily think your posts should be getting flagged, but you seem to be arguing in bad faith.

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Post by mason55 »

Claudus wrote: post #28
whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

> Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

Protecting those around me if I happen to be carrying but asymptomatic. If it reduces the chances of spreading the disease by even 1% then it's worth a slight inconvenience to help keep my fellow humans safe.

IMO, being willing to accept a minor inconvenience for the betterment of the population as whole is a key facet of being a functioning member of society.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by vharuck »

analyte123 wrote: post #32
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a bad take. Disregard for covid precautions is the reason we have an outsized outbreak in the US. The outbreak in SD, despite the state’s low population density, will spread to other states.

The outbreak in the US is not particularly "outsized" compared to other developed countries: https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=fra&are...

I think we should look at the case rate for measuring outbreaks, instead of the death rate. I wouldn't say "outsized", but the US' incidence rate is above most developed nations'.

Also, I didn't know that Austria and Switzerland were having such a problem.

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=fra&are...

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Post by munificent »

whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Meanwhile, here I am in the "anarchist jurisdiction" of Seattle and 90%+ of the people I see are wearing masks, socially distancing, and taking the scientific authorities seriously.

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Post by evan_ »

newguy1234 wrote: post #84
jimkleiber wrote: post #11

My friend works in the covid ICU here in Michigan and told me yesterday that she's seeing a dramatic increase in patients who are getting angry at her and still believing that covid is not real. When she asks where they may have caught it, they sometimes say at a wedding with 100 people where no one was wearing masks. I can't imagine how emotionally taxing it was to be a healthcare worker attending to people with cov…

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> For example, by criticizing Trump on his COVID-19 plan, you are basically encouraging his base to resist whatever needs to be done (wear masks).

So if his plan was to drink bleach, we should say "yeah that sounds good" because we don't want to alienate his fans?

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Post by [deleted] »

Valgrim wrote: post #25
silverpepsi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there still people who believe it is just "a few eccentrics"? As someone who has a lot of them in my direct family, extended family, and even Facebook friends, my perception is that partisanship has reached a point where there is literal mass delusion out there far left and far right. And in the case of covid19, it feels like at least 10% don't fully believe in it (the level of doubt varying by individual and sit…

>there is literal mass delusion out there far left and far right. What delusion is the "far left" believing in, in your opinion?

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Post by analyte123 »

thsowers wrote: post #101
analyte123 wrote: post #96

Obviously, it isn't right to be rude to nurses but it probably also isn't right to sneer at people on their deathbed who don't want to accept that they're dying or really understand why, and blame them for their disease even though we have no idea how they got it. I think some people dying in hospitals from COVID have a right to be mad at the medical system. Did these patients get any of the 5+ antiviral or immunomod…

> but wow do we sure know that they're dumb hicks who deserve to die I didn't see that sentiment expressed in the article, or by the majority of comments here.

I have toned this down, thank you.

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Post by jasonlaramburu »

matz1 wrote: post #91
whalesalad wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if 10 years from now we discover that wearing a mask was a completely pointless endeavor .... the cost of wearing a mask is SO LOW that it is worth doing it. But it is scientifically proven to limit the rate of the spread, which is the least I can do to protect myself and those around me. I don't care if I get covid ... I don't think it will kill me based on my vitals. However, we don't fully understand the long…

>cost of wearing a mask is SO LOW that it is worth doing it tell that to people work in warehouse/food service. Its makes they already hard job even more harder.

So does catching covid

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Post by dkural »

Diederich wrote: post #95
nappy-doo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work on the mobile contact tracing effort (FAANG), and I am exhausted thinking about it as well, and I don't even risk my life everyday. Part of me wants to say, "fuck these idiots that don't wear masks, just die," but know that they will just get others sick on the way, and use up scarce resources.

This is a harsh thing to say, but I understand where you're coming from. We....all of us, all human beings...need to be very patient and merciful with each other. My wife and I know good, honest and smart people who are fully convinced that Covid19 isn't that dangerous, that it's a hoax, etc. I'm not saying "smart" lightly. All humans...even the best of us...are at our core deeply irrational most of the time. Differe…

Why do you think they're good and smart, why do they think Covid19 is a hoax? Surely a good person would try to do the safe thing even if they had doubts.

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Post by cure »

cltby wrote: post #99
whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Given that we're seeing the same spike in our big, coastal metro areas, perhaps the problem is more complicated than rural attitudes towards Covid. [0] https://outbreak.info/epidemiology?location=METRO_42660%3BME...

> Given that we're seeing the same spike in our big, coastal metro areas

When taking the differences in total population and population density into account, the spikes in sparsely populated states like OK are nothing like the spikes in densely populated states like NY.

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