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Hacker Pwns Police Cruiser and Lives to Tell the Tale

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Re: Hacker Pwns Police Cruiser and Lives to Tell the Tale

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Post by joebadmo »

fleitz wrote: post #29
joebadmo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I detect a note of disparagement toward our civil servants who have signed up for a job that puts them in harm's way. Maybe, as a military veteran, I'm over-sensitive/biased, but the tone is unnecessary to your point. That said, I totally agree, and the thought occurred to me, too, while reading tfa that these recordings should be publicly available if not broadcast in real time.

You're certainly not mistaken, I'm not a believer in that dulce et decorum est pro patria mori stuff. I'd be pretty pissed off too if I was a military vet. The recruiters tell a bunch of lies to young idealistic kids who've been put through 13 years of indoctrination from a system designed to train them to be soliders and factory workers. Then the recruiter comes and tells them they can be a hero to their country and…

You've presented justifications for jaded cynicism toward the system, but none for disparagement or condescension to those who serve.

Yes, I was a young idealistic kid. Yes, I was lied to by recruiters. Sure, I was arguably indoctrinated by the system. You're free to be cynical about whatever you wish, of course, but that doesn't preclude you from acknowledging and respecting the special sacrifice I and many others have chosen, does it?

Please don't take this as an emotionally loaded attack; I'm not actually particularly offended by your sentiment, but I am interested in the perspective from which it comes.

Re: Hacker Pwns Police Cruiser and Lives to Tell the Tale

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Post by zaphar »

fleitz wrote: post #15

"The ability for civilians to secretly spy on officers responding to calls could have serious consequences for their safety." These are public employees performing a public duty. Unless there are extenuating circumstances, maybe a SWAT raid or something, the public should have access to this data to ensure that public employees are serving the public good. At the bare minimum it should be available within hours of it…

That may be so but the ability to also modify the feed is a huge problem. It jeopardizes our law enforcement system by bringing into question the chain of custody for the evidence presented in a case.

Re: Hacker Pwns Police Cruiser and Lives to Tell the Tale

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Post by fleitz »

joebadmo wrote: post #31
fleitz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're certainly not mistaken, I'm not a believer in that dulce et decorum est pro patria mori stuff. I'd be pretty pissed off too if I was a military vet. The recruiters tell a bunch of lies to young idealistic kids who've been put through 13 years of indoctrination from a system designed to train them to be soliders and factory workers. Then the recruiter comes and tells them they can be a hero to their country and…

You've presented justifications for jaded cynicism toward the system, but none for disparagement or condescension to those who serve. Yes, I was a young idealistic kid. Yes, I was lied to by recruiters. Sure, I was arguably indoctrinated by the system. You're free to be cynical about whatever you wish, of course, but that doesn't preclude you from acknowledging and respecting the special sacrifice I and many others h…

My background is Bavarian, my grandfather served in WW2. He sacrificed himself for his country, but the sacrifice was not in aid of humanity. My family spoke openly about the disdain for the gov't of Germany and what they made everyone go through and the tough choices that need to be made between their allegiance to their country and their allegiance to humanity.

I never got to speak to my Grandfather about the details of it how to juxtapose service for one's country but against humanity. Suffice it to say that my father refused Canadian citizenship because he felt the idea of swearing allegiance to a person (the Queen) was abhorrent and that no person should be regarded in that esteem. To swear allegiance to the Queen was to undermine every reason why my family left Germany. It was very difficult for me to sign my passport because I knew that to do so would be to bind myself to the Queen and the idea that not all men are created equal, but I also knew that after 9/11 I could never leave Canada with out doing so. So I swallowed my principles like my grandfather before me and went along with the system.

The lesson to me was you don't ally yourself to a country, you ally yourself to humanity.

My father also spoke of the generosity of American soldiers and giving him candy bars, and always held America in high regard for things like the Marshall Aid plan. He also told me about hiding during bombing raids, but always felt it was a necessary evil, even when a bomb landed in the front of his apartment block. It was never in anger but it was an unspoken understanding that this was a necessary evil to eliminate a greater evil. Especially since my dad lived in Regensburg at the time and it had a ball bearing factory so it was essential that the factory be destroyed.

Re: Hacker Pwns Police Cruiser and Lives to Tell the Tale

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Post by joebadmo »

fleitz wrote: post #33
joebadmo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've presented justifications for jaded cynicism toward the system, but none for disparagement or condescension to those who serve. Yes, I was a young idealistic kid. Yes, I was lied to by recruiters. Sure, I was arguably indoctrinated by the system. You're free to be cynical about whatever you wish, of course, but that doesn't preclude you from acknowledging and respecting the special sacrifice I and many others h…

My background is Bavarian, my grandfather served in WW2. He sacrificed himself for his country, but the sacrifice was not in aid of humanity. My family spoke openly about the disdain for the gov't of Germany and what they made everyone go through and the tough choices that need to be made between their allegiance to their country and their allegiance to humanity. I never got to speak to my Grandfather about the detai…

It sounds to me like you're somewhat conflicted, but your overall point is that your respect for sacrifice is contingent on the thing the sacrifice is for. That's totally fair.

I'm an immigrant to the US and enlisted in no small part because I believe that the interest of the US is largely aligned with the interest of humanity, because at the core of the US are ideals that have been a beacon of light in the world. I know historically that the light has been very obscured many times, and as an infantryman on the ground, I've personally walked in those shadows, and they are dark, but I can keep my head high because I know that light is there somewhere.

Thanks for the exchange.

Re: Hacker Pwns Police Cruiser and Lives to Tell the Tale

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Post by elliottcarlson »

JonnieCache wrote: post #3

This is always good for a laugh: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=intitle%3A%22Live+View... https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=inurl%3Aview%2Fview.sh... Never turned up anything as fun as a policecar though.

Heh - it was easy to bypass ww.com's security in the past to view private cams (sorry jacquesm - don't know if that's still the case - we're talking 5ish years ago ;)). Being a voyeur is far too simple with the state of technology.

Re: Hacker Pwns Police Cruiser and Lives to Tell the Tale

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Post by chopsueyar »

endgame wrote: post #27
nathanb wrote: post #16

Title seems a bit disingenuous; a professional pen tester getting a live feed from a camera on a police car does not constitute a "hacker pwning a police cruiser", and whether he would live to tell the tale doesn't appear to have been in doubt. If I write a blog post about going to the grocer's, should I post it to HN with the title "hacker infiltrates local business, lives to tell the tale"?

> If I write a blog post about going to the grocer's, should I post it to HN with the title "hacker infiltrates local business, lives to tell the tale"? If you want to get a lot of points on HN, then I guess that's what you should do. Alternatively, here are some other ideas: * Why a startup is like X/X for startups * Why founders should X * XDD - X Driven Development Here's an example: * Brushing your teeth, for sta…

Hacker pwns Electric Toothbrush, Creates Startup

Re: Hacker Pwns Police Cruiser and Lives to Tell the Tale

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Post by chopsueyar »

joebadmo wrote: post #26
yid wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Publicly available, yes, but real time? Really? hey skip, looks like a cruiser is on its way to you, yeah about 5 minutes away, burn the evidence.

I thought of that, too, and yeah, you'd probably need a kill-switch for situations like that, but a panopticon for uniformed police strikes me as a great way to let everyone watch the watchmen, a badly needed check on an easily abusable authority. Maybe you're right, though, I guess real-time isn't really necessary.

Real-time prevents Adobe After Effects.

Re: Hacker Pwns Police Cruiser and Lives to Tell the Tale

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Post by chopsueyar »

JonnieCache wrote: post #3

This is always good for a laugh: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=intitle%3A%22Live+View... https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=inurl%3Aview%2Fview.sh... Never turned up anything as fun as a policecar though.

Here's one...

http://seesarasotalive.com/lido-key

There is also somebody's backyard pool, but it is night time now.

Re: Hacker Pwns Police Cruiser and Lives to Tell the Tale

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Post by JonnieCache »

semanticist wrote: post #21
jarin wrote: post #19

Admittedly, I haven't read the Chicago Manual of Style in a while, but when did it become acceptable to use "pwn" in a headline without quotes?

The Register is a tech tabloid, not a broadsheet.

To be specific, it is a kind of IT parody of The Sun, the whole style of it is one big injoke about british newspaper journalism basically.

http://www.thesun.co.uk

Their motto is: "Integrity - we've heard of it."

Personally I love it, although its not as funny as it used to be.

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