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Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by sgustard »

techsupporter wrote: post #99
redm wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your painting with a pretty broad brush. Sitting aside your bad experience at the licensing office (and general negativity on the culture), someone moving from SF may have a higher quality of life, depending on what they value. For example, more space, lower cost of living, lower taxes, ability to travel more, save more, have a larger house, etc. You can trade tornado's for wild-fire's and earthquakes. I live…

> depending on what they value And therein lies the rub. We had the big house (that we had to clean more often and pay more to heat, cool, and maintain), the huge yard with lots of space (that we had to spend hours every weekend dealing with, along with the cost), the two cars (with their own costs and hassles), and so on. What we didn't have was the respect of our community, or at least the recognition that families…

I was hoping someone would make this comment. White flight to a red state is nothing new. My neighbors in the bay area represent dozens of cultures and no one's going to pay me to give that up.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by geodel »

burnthrow wrote: post #124
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? I think of my New York City taxes as a country club fee. That way they aren’t half bad. If I made a little less or a lot more they would be a problem. But having distance from racists, homophobes and idiots, who tend to congregate in low-cost places for being, generally, useless, is worth a few tens of thousan…

You'll find lots of racists, homophobes, and idiots at actual country clubs. Not sure what you're trying to argue here, class can't be purchased.

> class can't be purchased.

But delusions can be purchased.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by dcolkitt »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #28

A few years ago, there was a similar incentive scheme by a businessman to revitalize the Jewish congregation in Dothan, AL that he grew up in. The plan was launched with great fanfare (see here: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/us/an-alabama-synagogue-o... ) but failed badly: https://www.timesofisrael.com/billionaires-scheme-to-revive-... None of the newcomers stayed, too much casual racism, no qualified jobs and b…

> bad schools (the private school for your kids will really bust your budget)

Oklahoma has significantly better schools than California[1]. San Francisco has notoriously bad public schools, and hardly any upper-middle people send their kids there. It's not like NYC, which has strong magnet programs for the gifted. The one really good SF school, Lowell, is replacing its meritocratic test score system with a diversity lottery.

[1]https://www.vox.com/2015/10/26/9617514/test-scores-naep-2013 [2]https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/10/21/san-franciscos-...

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by sgustard »

techsupporter wrote: post #17

I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require…

Has Tulsa agreed to look for the mass graves of its citizens killed in the race massacre yet? Seems like that might deter the level of "diversity" the city is looking for.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by sicromoft »

geodel wrote: post #130
techsupporter wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> depending on what they value And therein lies the rub. We had the big house (that we had to clean more often and pay more to heat, cool, and maintain), the huge yard with lots of space (that we had to spend hours every weekend dealing with, along with the cost), the two cars (with their own costs and hassles), and so on. What we didn't have was the respect of our community, or at least the recognition that families…

Good for you. You seemed to move to place that sit right with your political positions.

Wanting to be respected by their community is a political position?

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by dragonwriter »

leetcrew wrote: post #90
Retric wrote: post #76

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It’s really odd to me that California is perceived to be such a problem while the area is so economically productive. It’s a very odd type of cognitive dissonance where something is both a model to be copied and a mess at the same time by the same people. People try and recreate Silicon Valley while arguing non competes must be enforced. As if the ideas must inherently be unrelated.

> It’s really odd to me that California is perceived to be such a problem while the area is so economically productive. It’s a very odd type of cognitive dissonance where something is both a model to be copied and a mess at the same time by the same people. it's only odd if you think economic productivity is the sole determination of what makes a desirable place to live. regarding SF in particular, it's phenomenal wh…

> I don't think the ban on non-competes is usually what people are thinking of when they describe california as a mess.

Antibusiness/antiemployer government intervention is the most commonly explicitly-cited thing, and pretty much every State law, rule, and regulation that favors employees or restricts employers is included in that basket.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by dragonwriter »

burnthrow wrote: post #123
leetcrew wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s really odd to me that California is perceived to be such a problem while the area is so economically productive. It’s a very odd type of cognitive dissonance where something is both a model to be copied and a mess at the same time by the same people. it's only odd if you think economic productivity is the sole determination of what makes a desirable place to live. regarding SF in particular, it's phenomenal wh…

> the rate of petty crime rivals that of the most dangerous cities in america Correction: SF has nation-leading levels of property crime, a leaderboard dominated by west coast cities. The US cities with highest violent crime rates have comparably low property crime. Which makes sense: Property crime is riskier in those places.

Violent crime is often also property crime in fact, but often not counted as such. So the level of violent crime masks some of the property crime.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by ashtonkem »

paxys wrote: post #43

I understand people who have roots in the bay area and aren't in the position to leave (or just don't want to). I also understand people who, under the current circumstances, want to temporarily or permanently move to a location that will work out better for them. I don't understand, though, how $10K can be the deciding factor for someone for such a major decision.

$10K is a move[0], or a huge chunk of a down payment on a reasonably priced home[1]. If you're a high paid tech worker who's been seeing a huge percentage of your salary go to sky high rent, that extra $10K might be enough to do it.

[0] I've moved cross states a few times into and out of 2bd apartments; for a self pack move you can easily expect to pay about $6-10k, depending on distance, housing arrangements, and truck configuration (single truck is cheaper than a transfer to a semi-truck).

[1] Minimum down payment on a house is typically 3.5% with good credit. $10K is enough of a down payment for a ~$300k home, minus closing costs.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by fludlight »

techsupporter wrote: post #17

I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require…

“The only what I’ll go back is in a bag”- multiple (n=5) straight, white, ex-Texan-now-Bay-Areans. This includes me. I have never met anyone from that demographic who moved to SV from TX who espoused a different view, though they clearly exist based on the move-back fantasies common in HN comments.

That said, I did know several Indians (n=4, subcontinent, not Sioux, all Hindu, not Muslim) who seemed to enjoy Texas more than the gringos. They were all highly educated like the aforementioned cohort but also really into pickup trucks. We lost touch over the years and I’m curious to see how they viewed the cultural shifts under the outgoing administration.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by mjfl »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #67
mjfl wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? They probably make $2k per month and live in a $500 / month apartment and can't afford to leave, can't afford to fly anywhere. Financial success should give you some fortitude to withstand really minor insults like that.

> if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? I think of my New York City taxes as a country club fee. That way they aren’t half bad. If I made a little less or a lot more they would be a problem. But having distance from racists, homophobes and idiots, who tend to congregate in low-cost places for being, generally, useless, is worth a few tens of thousan…

What do you do that makes you feel like you are a useful contributor to society? And how much are you paid for that?
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