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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by oneplane »

bzb6 wrote: post #342
oneplane wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling a vague group of entities 'Big X' isn't as useful as people think. It's not like there is a strong definition, or that everyone identifies the same with it. It's also not helpful to personify a vague group of even more groups (of business entities) and then assume they all had some concerted 'hand to play'. It's possible that there is some emergent behaviour in markets with large companies and it might even s…

It must’ve been my imagination all the times that Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc banned conservative accounts the same day. Several times.

So you think they are not a combination of a a lot of people working in different locations at different times under different policies, and that it must be one big 'person' doing one thing?

If we're going to be that far removed from reality you might as well live in the woods and fling poo at each other.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by npsimons »

tomjen3 wrote: post #567
npsimons wrote: post #485

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How do we get back from where we are now ? I have to admit, my social skills are lacking, my patience is low; and the problem just seems so vastly overwhelming that I can't imagine where to even begin.

Reinstitute the draft, or national service where every young kid has to spend a year fighting along side people they didn't know before hand, far from home. Or spend a year traveling the US doing worthwhile projects (fixing up broken jungle gyms in schools) again with people they didn't know. It is a little bit less likely that you dislike heartland America when you spent a year working with Fred the Farmboy before y…

> It is a little bit less likely that you dislike heartland America when you spent a year working with Fred the Farmboy before you headed to Princeton.

I find it interesting you choose this as an example, and not rather say that "Fred the Farmboy" might actually see those "librul coastal elites" or "ivory tower intellectuals" as people like himself. The latter are terms I've actually seen used.

But on the topic of a Civilian Conservation Corp, yes, definitely bring that back!

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by jb775 »

cblconfederate wrote: post #189
dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

It s still a good way to follow current events by following specific people or journalists. Switching to chronological mode, aggressively unfollowing the rude people who think that their technical knowledge allows them to plaster their opinions on your face, and changing my location to burundi did it for me.

>It's still a good way to follow current events

This is where the major problem lies and you don't even realize you're complicit in it. The "current events" blasted out on Twitter are curated by Twitter admins to only show what they want to show. They place heavy over-weighting on events and discussion that they want everyone to see. They hide hashtags they don't want trending. They don't show a pure list of what's actually trending. They shadow-ban users that talk about topics they don't want talked about. They give priority to media outlets that are also involved in heavy censorship, therefore adding extra fake credibility to false narratives. And the latest is the whole "Fact check" thing, where they only fact check the discussion that they want discredited (even if it's 100% true).

You are an example how censorship is so powerful. When people believe they've found a "good way to follow current events", and refuse to question the accuracy of the medium, they quickly become prone to believing false narratives. Currently, the elites who own the media are doing everything in their power to further the left's agenda. (The active campaign is their attempt to cover up and discredit any discussion of election fraud. Also, you probably didn't hear that Zuckerberg donated half a billion dollars towards democrat vote-counting strategies) Many people want to bury their head in the sand because it aligns with their political beliefs. Hopefully this is a wake up call to some.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by NelsonMinar »

These right wing cesspools are dangerous places. Because the hate can be nurtured there and grown out of sight of decent people. A clear example of that was the way the Charlottesville murder at the Unite the Right rally was planned on their private Discord. The deplorable subreddits also incubated a lot of very harmful people.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by concordDance »

npsimons wrote: post #489
gameswithgo wrote: post #370

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I was banned from r/conservative in a discussion about trump handling the coronavirus seriously. I posted a timeline of quotes from him "only 15 cases soon to be none etc" indicating he had not taken it seriously early. Banned after that. Which is fine, I feel that people should be free to form any clubs/groups they want.

> I was banned from r/conservative in a discussion about trump handling the coronavirus seriously. I posted a timeline of quotes from him "only 15 cases soon to be none etc" indicating he had not taken it seriously early. This should be all anyone needs to know about how seriously these groups takes freeze peaches. Look at their actions, not their words.

Um... you don't normally get an objective account of why someone was banned from the banned person in question.

Don't just take a claim like this as the whole story, they are generally in "tidied up" form.

You'd want the text of the post, the person's posting history on the forum in question, a list of warnings etc and a copy of the forum rules to even approach a reasonable judgement.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by concordDance »

LatteLazy wrote: post #439
refurb wrote: post #427

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Huh. Well I guess that's the problem. It's hard to have a forum with productive conversations if you aren't willing to filter out "noise", but not everyone agrees with what the noise is. But one could argue (and I'm not arguing that it's the case here), one could have different rules around what's allowed versus Twitter, and it could be a more open forum, but still censored (trolls, deaths threats, "f k you" posts).

I'm happy enough with banning things you have to ban legally and banning pointless comments. But banning anyone supporting antifa is a pretty clear breach. The parody ban (especially the selective application) is another clear breach of free speech. I'd be content enough if they were upfront and said this is a place for "Conservative opinions only" rather than "free speech". I'd even agree that's their right and that…

> But banning anyone supporting antifa is a pretty clear breach

Would you be in favour of banning people supporting ISIS, child molestors or the Nazis? Because from a conservative perspective, the rationales of one might apply to the other and so many nominally free speech environments ban support for those groups.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by humanrebar »

frasermince wrote: post #512

I think a lot of people in these comments are missing the core dilemma a lot of these tech companies are dealing with. How do you deal with rampant misinformation that might be harmful to society as a whole? I think moving to putting disclaimers on posts instead of deleting them might be the right move but it’s honestly just a hard problem.

> How do you deal with rampant misinformation that might be harmful to society as a whole?

Maybe I don't want big tech incumbents solving that problem for me. The dilemma as posed makes a lot of assumptions that I don't agree with.

Maybe I would be OK with some curation or annotation service. If I had some say in hiring, firing, and replacing that service separate from my choice of social media platform.

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