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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by npsimons »

hntossaccount12 wrote: post #296
LatteLazy wrote: post #223

It’s worth noting that the first thing Parler did was start censoring anyone unsupportive of their form of conservatism. They’re not offering freer speech, they’re offering a safe space. Maybe that’s a seller, maybe it’s not, but it’s an important distinction. This is really just /r/conservative taken to its logical conclusion.

I suspect we will continue to see services that unbundle social media's hottest topics. Social media may have created an outrage economy -- a subset of the attention economy. But like ebay, craigslist, etc, the social media platforms' broad focus means their product can't specialize when strong trends emerge. The outrage will be unbundled by niche companies. I actually think this is a good thing. Seeing conspiracy th…

> Nobody mistakes the tabloids in the checkout aisle for a legitimate newspaper.

This is the first good argument I've heard for the alt-right abandoning platforms with some standards of veracity, and it's an excellent idea. Sort of like how everyone knows what 4chan is about, and the moment you hear someone repeat some Qanon stuff you know you can stop listening.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by mjfl »

leppr wrote: post #480
calinet6 wrote: post #431

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I see it as the opposite: this may be how a technical network is supposed to work, but it's not how a society is supposed to work. The internet has created the ability for any given subculture to discover instant validation and reinforce their beliefs into a tribe, which further solidifies and extremifies those beliefs. It's a psychological power almost equivalent to a nuclear reaction: beliefs and ideas that might h…

Censorship is the last-resort solution. Ideally, you'd want to have control over people's education and social structures to prevent deviation before any censorship is even needed. It's a real shame, because it seems we had reached a peak with the advent of mandatory state school and television. Now things are going downhill with more and more diverse subcultures allowed to build upon themselves and explore the limit…

> Ideally, you'd want to have control over people's education and social structures to prevent deviation before any censorship is even needed.

Is this satire?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by jrootabega »

watwut wrote: post #435
mensetmanusman wrote: post #344

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Historians actually point to Vietnam as the point when the average American gave up on their government. Once that happened, the government gave up on the average American, allowed middle class jobs to disappear, and spent more time joining global virtue signaling parties and subsidizing bombs in Yemen than fixing lead pipes in cities.

Which historians? I read quite a loud of American history lately and this is first time I see this claim.

You wouldn't know him, he goes to a different school.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by hobs »

watwut wrote: post #435
mensetmanusman wrote: post #344

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Historians actually point to Vietnam as the point when the average American gave up on their government. Once that happened, the government gave up on the average American, allowed middle class jobs to disappear, and spent more time joining global virtue signaling parties and subsidizing bombs in Yemen than fixing lead pipes in cities.

Which historians? I read quite a loud of American history lately and this is first time I see this claim.

It's not a controversial opinion as far as I can tell -

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2015/11/23/1-trust-in-g... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/... https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/10/how-ame... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/opinion/sunday/vietnam-th...

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by npsimons »

calinet6 wrote: post #443
LatteLazy wrote: post #317

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I'm honestly not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, I agree there is a positive to isolating the worst of social media off on a separate site. On the other hand, we're (maybe) just starting to see Facebook etc take some action on the worst elements of social media. This subverts that and makes it harder for Facebook to take further action in the future: shareholders will rightfully ask "what if you lose even more…

I think it just delays a bigger problem, kicks the can down the road. In 2-4 years' time, we'll have an even bigger festering cesspool of self-reinforced beliefs than ever before, and an more difficult time having rational discourse among our society about how to run it.

How do we get back from where we are now? I have to admit, my social skills are lacking, my patience is low; and the problem just seems so vastly overwhelming that I can't imagine where to even begin.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

golemotron wrote: post #477
Kye wrote: post #348

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I had to accept recently that anything trying to emulate Twitter will suffer from the same problems. I wrote about it: https://kyefox.com/2020/09/17/mastodon-shows-its-stripes/ Since then, my favorite instance was killed by a bunch of irony-poisoned instances ganging up on it to convince others it was a toxic hell (projection!) and defederate from it. The instance was basically dead within a week as people migrated o…

You might like this. Same problem identified before big social: https://www.gwern.net/docs/technology/2005-shirky-agroupisit...

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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by axaxs »

Rick1 wrote: post #217
blackrock wrote: post #213

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Why can’t the dissenting States just secede from the Union? It is a democracy after all.

Well some have tried. There was a civil war about it.

Exactly. Many of the people who make civil war/anti south jokes are the same people who want California to secede, which makes no sense.

In its simplest form, the civil war wasn't fought because the north thought slavery was bad. It was fought because several states tried to leave the United States.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by thinkingemote »

SmokeyHamster wrote: post #470
permo-w wrote: post #325

I’m starting to think that this could actually be good news for left-leaning people. It’s entirely possible that separated from the people they usually fight against, and isolated in their own platform, conservative voices, people who have made careers out of rhetorical conflict, will begin to fight among themselves. and this can only benefit the left. It’s also very possible that Parler will only go uncensored for s…

I doubt that. As someone who uses a lot of these mostly-conservative sites, I'm not seeing a ton of infighting. If anything, it's been the opposite. I'm seeing it unite a bunch of different factions that used to fight. And to be clear, Parler isn't uncensored. They still censor things. They're a business trying to attract an audience to make money, so they have to censor something just to protect the brand. Like post…

4chan also has a lot of moderation and cooperation with LEA beyond the minimum. The moderation line is just defined at a different level.

The thing is, to expect attacks on freedom by exploiting fear of chaos and anarchy.

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Post by npsimons »

gameswithgo wrote: post #370
LatteLazy wrote: post #223

It’s worth noting that the first thing Parler did was start censoring anyone unsupportive of their form of conservatism. They’re not offering freer speech, they’re offering a safe space. Maybe that’s a seller, maybe it’s not, but it’s an important distinction. This is really just /r/conservative taken to its logical conclusion.

I was banned from r/conservative in a discussion about trump handling the coronavirus seriously. I posted a timeline of quotes from him "only 15 cases soon to be none etc" indicating he had not taken it seriously early. Banned after that. Which is fine, I feel that people should be free to form any clubs/groups they want.

> I was banned from r/conservative in a discussion about trump handling the coronavirus seriously. I posted a timeline of quotes from him "only 15 cases soon to be none etc" indicating he had not taken it seriously early.

This should be all anyone needs to know about how seriously these groups takes freeze peaches. Look at their actions, not their words.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by rayiner »

alphabettsy wrote: post #48
rayiner wrote: post #30

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Donald Trump attacked illegal immigration specifically: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/aug/08/tim-kaine/... Also, he attacked accepting refugees from certain high-risk countries (which had been designated as such by the Obama administration). He didn’t say “immigrants bad.” > Kaine has embellished the controversy by saying Trump has said "all Mexicans are rapists." The Democrat doesn’t come close to provi…

When Donald Trump launched his campaign he said; “ When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” How else is one to take this? He said some are good people…

He was talking about people crossing the border illegally: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06...

The part you quoted is sandwiched between two statements that make that clear. Right before, he says:

> When do we beat Mexico at the border?

Right after the part you quoted, he says:

> But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people.

The reference to what “border guards” are “telling him” makes quite clear he’s characterizing their descriptions of illegal border crossers. That is how Factcheck.org interpreted the statement (see above) as well.

There is a fair criticism of Trump here—most people who immigrate illegally are “good people” (other than the fact they broke the law in crossing the border). On the other side, there is a truth to his point. We have MS-13 operating in Northern Virginia now where I grew up. They don’t arise there organically.

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