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I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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I greatly enjoyed the article, love the Shellys too. +1 also for Homeassistant. Just wish (minor point) the author had chosen a font-color with more contrast to the background, like a slightly less pale shade of grey.

I love browser's reader modes to easily apply the styles I like to articles like this. Instantly dark mode and huge font to any article

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What is a wireless lighting system? What is the advantage of such a system over a switch next to the door? E: A wireless lighting systems seems to be a light bulb with WiFi capabilities.

There are some reasons to go for a wireless system, for example when you can’t just go and run new wires to have switches in places you’d want to. Either because it’s an old house or a rented unit or something like that. But when planning a refurbishment or new construction, pulling (ethernet) wires is the safe bet.

So what powers the switches then?

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What is a wireless lighting system? What is the advantage of such a system over a switch next to the door? E: A wireless lighting systems seems to be a light bulb with WiFi capabilities.

For example, not having to get up and go to the door. I find that extremely convenient when lying in bed, about to sleep. I usually read for a few hours with dark red light, when I’m ready to sleep I can just turn the lights off.

You don't really need a "smart" light for it, a traditional radio-controlled "dumb" light switch is good enough for this purpose. Just press a button, and the remote control sends a RF signal at 433 MHz to switch it on or off, there's no IoT complexity like firmware updates, Linux kernel, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, an Internet connection or other nonsense. It can either be a light switch installed on the wall, or an integrated unit that comes with the LED light fixture (which may also allow you to change the color). Also, neutral wire is not a problem, some wall switches don't need it [0].

"Smart" lightbulbs are more flexible with more features, but personally I'm not a fan of them - many features with few additional benefits (with high price tags, possible bugs, and privacy concerns). Nevertheless, if you are not allowed to change any electrical wiring in the room, using "smart" lightbulbs can be a justified choice. Another genuine use may be controlling many wired-together lightbulbs on a large light fixture as separate groups without a laborious rewiring. Meanwhile I'll keep using my dumb wireless light switch.

[0] They solve the neutral problem by using an always-on high resistance in series with the "hot" wire. The lightbulbs on the light fixture completes the circuit, a tiny current starts to flow, which is harvested by the switch to power itself. Clever hack!

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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What is a wireless lighting system? What is the advantage of such a system over a switch next to the door? E: A wireless lighting systems seems to be a light bulb with WiFi capabilities.

I have found it useful when you have your hands full (e.g. hands full of shopping, or carrying a baby with a dirty nappy/diaper to a changing table are just two examples where you can just shout to google/alexa to turn it on), or turning stuff on/off when you are away from home (e.g. automatically at sunset, turning heating on when you are on your way home etc), or you left the lights on and you are already in bed et…

I am sure that this is a cool feature, but I am really having a hard time wrapping my head around all the technological overhead required here to avoid having to flip a switch with your elbow or hip if your hands are full. "First world problems" seems like an understatement here.

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I was considering "smart" home active lightining stuff but finally went with 120% wires (some extra wires left for some future needs, double lamps etc) and traditional 2 state mechanical switches. It is not about money but maintenance burden. I can't imagine where would be my marriage when I was gone for some week long business trip and all that "smart" stuff had failed that time for my family. So far for 8 years of…

This. Every "smart" switch should also act/fallback as a physical analog switch any way. I don't understand why that's not the case... Edit : plus I don't want to pull out my phone or whatever device to switch the goddam light on

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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I wouldn't buy a house with such a system in it, and I doubt anybody else will, either. Who wants to become an expert on these systems just to turn the lights on? Not a chance.

I considered these systems when my house was built, and am very glad I didn't get them. I turn the switch on, the lights go on, I turn it off, the lights go off. I replace a bulb now and then.

That's it! I'm very happy with it.

But what I did do was run cat5 and RG6 to every room in a star configuration, which has paid off very very nicely. I did all that work myself because the electrician didn't understand words like "crosstalk" and I didn't want to find out after I moved in that the wires in finished walls didn't work.

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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I've been in tech for a while, and I am very reluctant to jump in on "smart" appliances. Having said that, I have dipped my toe into things by tackling things I can fully control and maintain. I also make sure it is simple to bypass as not everyone who lives with me is interested in learning or troubleshooting issues with something like a light fixture or thermostat.

Cloud is absolutely out for privacy reasons and for the simple fact that no device should be dependent on my ISP functioning. So I keep the smart stuff to things like lamps or shades. All things that are easy to maintain and are not required to function to enjoy the home. Shades are on Z-Wave Plus and I have just 4 shades that are motorized and it's not easy to maintain. The only other thing I use is Tasmota on some cheap plugs for lamps and holiday lights. All of these devices are controlled by a web panel built on a NAS that has an easy to remember local lan address. Control via cellphone is easy so long as you are on the lan.

I just haven't been totally sold on the idea that the convenience offered by IoT devices that are locked in or require cloud services outweighs the maintenance and hassle over the long haul.

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some reasons to go for a wireless system, for example when you can’t just go and run new wires to have switches in places you’d want to. Either because it’s an old house or a rented unit or something like that. But when planning a refurbishment or new construction, pulling (ethernet) wires is the safe bet.

So what powers the switches then?

Batteries for example, or you may have power from other circuits that you can tap. A light circuit with multiple switches requires comparatively complex wiring - either all switches need to connect to a central point (breaker box) or you need to have some sort of loop that passes by all switches. It’s nontrivial to retrofit. Some sort of (wireless) bus system that transmits the signal digitally can help reducing that complexity.

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What is a wireless lighting system? What is the advantage of such a system over a switch next to the door? E: A wireless lighting systems seems to be a light bulb with WiFi capabilities.

The author mentioned that his house is made of stone, so running wires to the lights is less easy than in a hollow walled house.
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