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I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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I had almost exactly the same problems, albeit on a much smaller scale of perhaps 10% the size of this person's network.

I spent years and a fair chunk of cash trying and failing to get a reliable zigbee and z-wave network set up using various bits of kit.

To echo the article, the problem with zigbee & zwave for me was that things would stop working, and it was almost impossible to work out why. The only "solution" was to start the annoying repairing process as outlined in the article which was a huge ballache.

In the end I also binned all of the zigwave & zwave bits and moved to a 100% wifi-based solution using MQTT & Tasmota firmware (1) running on very cheap hardware that is usually very reliable - I don't think I have had a single unexplained outage in the couple of years I've been running this now. Wifi + MQTT is mature and just works. It is also super easy to diagnose problems - you can see the devices on your network, ping them, subscribe to their MQTT topics, manually send messages on MQTT etc. Its a dream compared to the black box of zigbee & z-wave where you essentially had zero control apart from on/off.

Wifi + MQTT + Tasmota appears to be the solution for me.

My main complaint now is that HomeAssistant cant connect to Google Home/Alexa (so that I can use voice control), so I am using OpenHAB (which has a free integration that works). OpenHAB seems absurdly complex though, and they seem to be in a continual process of rewriting the software (some stuff is stored in config files, some in a databases, and the location of the config files is not in the docs/the docs have the wrong location so backups are hard, the docs are only for V1 (but don't say that they are only for V1) but the current version is V2 that is also deprecated because they are working on V3 etc, the recommended UI can't do everything you need to do to get the system working so you have to manually update stuff in a shell but the aforementioned docs telling you what file to edit are just plain wrong etc because the are referring to some different version, running OpenHAB in docker requires some odd permissions/user set up on the host machine etc - it is a mess). I am planning on ripping out OpenHAB and replacing with NodeRED at some point since that seems sane.

1 - https://tasmota.github.io/docs/

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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What is a wireless lighting system? What is the advantage of such a system over a switch next to the door? E: A wireless lighting systems seems to be a light bulb with WiFi capabilities.

For example, not having to get up and go to the door. I find that extremely convenient when lying in bed, about to sleep. I usually read for a few hours with dark red light, when I’m ready to sleep I can just turn the lights off.

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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> there are actually at least three units lost in the walls somewhere which respond to Z-Wave commands but don’t seem to control anything I can find! Reminds me of http://bash.org/?5273 haha

There's a better version of it -

https://www.theregister.com/2001/04/12/missing_novell_server...

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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I was considering "smart" home active lightining stuff but finally went with 120% wires (some extra wires left for some future needs, double lamps etc) and traditional 2 state mechanical switches.

It is not about money but maintenance burden.

I can't imagine where would be my marriage when I was gone for some week long business trip and all that "smart" stuff had failed that time for my family. So far for 8 years of use I only had to replace one switch which got punched too hard by kid.

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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I’m rather confused - what exactly is a wireless lighting system? And what are the advantages?

Being able to switch lights on/off either with conventional wall switches or programmatically, i.e. from your smartphone. If you don't get carried away with the "automation" aspect of it, it can really enhance the UX in some common cases.

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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What is the point of trying to wirelessly link up a system that needs so much wiring in the first place, including electricity? This seems moronic, unless it’s for fun. And even then it’s pretty stupid.

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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post #12

What is a wireless lighting system? What is the advantage of such a system over a switch next to the door? E: A wireless lighting systems seems to be a light bulb with WiFi capabilities.

I’m actually contemplating exchanging all our halogen spotlights (as they’re no longer being sold) to IKEA Trådfri.

My rationale for it is that I want to be able to dim them, but exchanging halogens for LEDs would mean the transformer wouldn’t see enough of a load to dim properly. By exchanging everything for IKEA bulbs I save on changing the transformer since the dimming circuit is in each bulb.

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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post #12

What is a wireless lighting system? What is the advantage of such a system over a switch next to the door? E: A wireless lighting systems seems to be a light bulb with WiFi capabilities.

I have found it useful when you have your hands full (e.g. hands full of shopping, or carrying a baby with a dirty nappy/diaper to a changing table are just two examples where you can just shout to google/alexa to turn it on), or turning stuff on/off when you are away from home (e.g. automatically at sunset, turning heating on when you are on your way home etc), or you left the lights on and you are already in bed etc.

First world problems, but it is handy.

Re: I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System

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post #12

What is a wireless lighting system? What is the advantage of such a system over a switch next to the door? E: A wireless lighting systems seems to be a light bulb with WiFi capabilities.

It avoids having to run wires through the walls (the switch can be battery powered or even piezo-powered so it works just from the force of your press). Having said that most houses already have the wires in the walls, and even if the wires are old/unsuitable you can pull through new ones, so for most people it doesn't really make much sense.
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