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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by pjc50 »

AntiImperialist wrote: post #153

As much as I would like to see this happen, I don't think it is going to happen this time around either... or ever. We've seen this movie before. Minds, Gab, Patreon alternatives, Voat, all of this has been done with no success. Whatever you open to the public will be infiltrated by the enemy. I think the new model is to do it secretly in closed groups away from the public, preferably local groups where you meet with…

> Whatever you open to the public will be infiltrated by the enemy.

This is a hell of a take on free speech.

> Freemasonry

Ah, by "enemy" do you just mean "women and Catholics?"

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by renewiltord »

wernercd wrote: post #111
renewiltord wrote: post #70

No one wants to spend time on the Internet listening to a bunch of randos talking about how the Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections except other such crackpots. These platforms are lightning rods. Let these people go there and convince each other of their fringe conspiracy theories. Freedom of association and all that. If they will stop polluting normal places with their crackpottery we're all…

"Fringe conspiracy theories" instead, you can stay on the "main sites" and get mainstream conspiracy theories about Russia and Racist White People.

Nah, you stay on the main sites and get mainstream videos of a dude skating on a street lipsyncing to Fleetwood Mac. Which is like 3x better than the latest theory about the alien overlords and their pyramid eyes that have hacked our voting machines.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

refurb wrote: post #141
ardy42 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. For the most part, those "viewpoints" are verifiable falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and other types of disinformation and misinformation. For instance, the recent migrations to Parler are chiefly people who want to deny the legitimate US presidential election result and spread false claims…

For the most part, those "viewpoints" are verifiable falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and other types of disinformation and misinformation. "For the most part" But incredibly, disinformation and misinformation like "the Hunter Biden story is a Russian plot" doesn't get censored, despite absolutely no proof and in fact, evidence to the contrary. Funny that is.

I mean, Glenn Greenwald resigned from the Intercept so he could write about it. That post wasn't censored in any way, shape or form.

There were huge threads here about this for literally a week. Seems like a bad job was done on supressing that information.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by pjc50 »

AntiImperialist wrote: post #156
pjc50 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few people can get US visas without work sponsorship. The green cards are rationed, aren't they? Similarly, there is little proof that a significant fraction of the people crossing the border have criminal records for things other than immigration law.

You don't need a long term visa to come in legally. You only need one to stay legally long-term.

Well, yes. That's the difference between a tourist and an immigrant. Working requires visas. Being a legal immigrant is heavily rationed.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by renewiltord »

rvz wrote: post #105
renewiltord wrote: post #70

No one wants to spend time on the Internet listening to a bunch of randos talking about how the Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections except other such crackpots. These platforms are lightning rods. Let these people go there and convince each other of their fringe conspiracy theories. Freedom of association and all that. If they will stop polluting normal places with their crackpottery we're all…

Well its not as if Twitter or any sort of social media platform out there represents reality these days, for me anyway. Which is why I deleted my accounts once I had a look at both platforms to see if I'm missing anything. Unsurprisingly, It turns out that both of them still have their extreme crack-pots and Parler is no exception; which is just another one of them, so nothing new here on the subject of 'randos' and…

Twitter represents reality to the degree you want it to. If you only follow John Carmack you're not going to see politics.

Of course, I won't argue against your deletion of the accounts.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by n4r9 »

AntiImperialist wrote: post #129
alphabettsy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Donald Trump launched his campaign he said; “ When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” How else is one to take this? He said some are good people…

He was specifically talking about Mexicans crossing the border illegally. Are you saying majority of people who cross the border illegally are good people? Most "good people" don't have to cross the border illegally. They can get a U.S. visa and never leave. The people who will definitely not get a U.S. visa to do that is those have a criminal record in their own country, so their only option is to cross the border i…

I'm not from the US so may interpret differently, but when Trump says "Mexico sends" it has a strong implication that the government and/or the general collective people of Mexico are deliberately transporting criminals to the US.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by AsyncAwait »

I have no doubt there's censorship going on, but to paint this as uniquely an issue for conservatives is what gets me about this. It's an anti-mainstream censorship if anything.

Left-wing, (not neo-liberal mind you), outlets are getting censored too, just ask The Grayzozone, Jacobin etc.

As for your average Twitter consensus, if you say i.e. Biden, even Sanders is a radical socialist then you're going to get laughed at, because it's far from true.

But as far as the reach of conservatives, #ProudBoys is trending on Twitter right now and am getting conservative YouTube recommendations about the 'culture war' on a regular basis, that's despite me not being logged in, not watching conservative channels and having history/personal recommendations etc. turned off. It just seems to be popular content right now.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

forest_dweller wrote: post #43
dannyw wrote: post #19

1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. 2. Instead of changing people’s minds (isn’t the evidence overwhelmingly conclusive that people rarely change political viewpoints?), people flock to “community bubbles” like Parler, TheDonald, etc where they feel welcome. 3. This marginalisation leads to increasing extremism; going from the li…

> 1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. Back in the late 2000s and early 2010s many of these large companies billed themselves as open platforms where you can express yourself. Twitter's Jack Dorsey said in 2012 that "We are the free speech wing of the free speech part". Now he says it was joke. The terms of service on these platfo…

> As for "over turning democracy". They see that there was a lot of odd things that seemed to happening upto and including election night.

Wow, seems like the people who voted for a candidate who said that mail-in voting was a hive of fraud for six months before an election were less likely to vote by mail, leading to a huge number of mail-in ballots being cast for the opposing candidate. Odd.

Like I'm not sure where these people were getting their news, but literally every news paper pointed out that this would happen, and it did.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by hooande »

dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

if twitter is so bad, why do you keep using it?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by alkonaut »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #166
alkonaut wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler isn’t a tech startup like any other. It’s unlikely to ever be profitable. Why Mercer and others think it’s a good idea to plow money into it is the question.

So just like most consumer tech startups then?

No tech startups at least aim to make money either from the operations or from increasing the value of the business.
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