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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by dash2 »

ThePreacherMan wrote: post #56
forest_dweller wrote: post #43

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> 1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. Back in the late 2000s and early 2010s many of these large companies billed themselves as open platforms where you can express yourself. Twitter's Jack Dorsey said in 2012 that "We are the free speech wing of the free speech part". Now he says it was joke. The terms of service on these platfo…

You are an idiot.

That's not how we argue on this forum. Please take a look at the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by ardy42 »

Hermel wrote: post #68
ardy42 wrote: post #57

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> 1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. For the most part, those "viewpoints" are verifiable falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and other types of disinformation and misinformation. For instance, the recent migrations to Parler are chiefly people who want to deny the legitimate US presidential election result and spread false claims…

So what? People should be free to discuss stupid and wrong ideas. Btw: I think conspiracy theories are good indicators for what certain people want to believe. I personally don't want to be disconnected from these indicators.

> So what? People should be free to discuss stupid and wrong ideas.

And they are, but if they want to do it on Twitter, Twitter gets to have its say as well. However, the conspiracy theorists don't seem to like it when Twitter exercises its rights by labeling their tweets, like in this case.

As for why this matters, people who want to live in functioning democracies have a strong interest in making sure the truth prevails in public discourse, and that lies find the habitat difficult.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by nostromo »

ThePreacherMan wrote: post #53

Are there any good information how advertising works in this network? From my experience its easy to convince "free-speechers" to buy things - think gold investment, self defense equipment, prepping, everything with the US flag colours on it.

If you want to make a quick, but cynical buck, start on Facebook.

My Facebook feed was full of pins, shirts, mugs, and posters of Ruth Bader Ginsberg with a tacky Notorious B.I.G. crown on her head for weeks after her death. Sometimes they’d even say “Rest In Power” whatever that means.

They must have been selling like hot cakes.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by Grustaf »

renewiltord wrote: post #70

No one wants to spend time on the Internet listening to a bunch of randos talking about how the Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections except other such crackpots. These platforms are lightning rods. Let these people go there and convince each other of their fringe conspiracy theories. Freedom of association and all that. If they will stop polluting normal places with their crackpottery we're all…

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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by pjc50 »

m0zg wrote: post #59
dannyw wrote: post #19

1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. 2. Instead of changing people’s minds (isn’t the evidence overwhelmingly conclusive that people rarely change political viewpoints?), people flock to “community bubbles” like Parler, TheDonald, etc where they feel welcome. 3. This marginalisation leads to increasing extremism; going from the li…

> immigrants bad This is 100% gaslighting by mainstream media. Immigration _per se_ isn't bad. I say so as an immigrant myself. Trump is married to an immigrant. But unrestricted low-skill illegal migration in tens of millions is most definitely bad, and it leads to modern day slavery, while at the same time depressing the wages of the working poor and making them dependent on welfare. That's why Kochs want it so muc…

> Presenting evidence in the court of law is democracy. If evidence is shit, the court will throw it out.

This has happened in all the lawsuits so far, I believe?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by Grustaf »

gizmodo59 wrote: post #10

This whole thread is going to be: * I'm not a liberal but.. * I'm not a conservative but.. * Twitter may be a private company, but.. * Freedom of speech but... If there is a new view point on how to analytically break such news down that would be great to hear indeed!

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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by Grustaf »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #58
sigmaprimus wrote: post #51

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How about doing a thought experiment for a minute? Trump told what are generally considered incorrect opinions on corona virus prevention. Eg: Hydroxy Chloroquine works, masks don't and so on... His followers then parroted and posted these comments on social media and were promptly defunded, suspended and even banned for breaking Eula terms. Because Covid is serious and far too important to risk endangering others li…

Why would FB and Twitter be plotting to "silence the right's voice?"

Is this a serious question?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by m0zg »

pjc50 wrote: post #76
m0zg wrote: post #59

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> immigrants bad This is 100% gaslighting by mainstream media. Immigration _per se_ isn't bad. I say so as an immigrant myself. Trump is married to an immigrant. But unrestricted low-skill illegal migration in tens of millions is most definitely bad, and it leads to modern day slavery, while at the same time depressing the wages of the working poor and making them dependent on welfare. That's why Kochs want it so muc…

> Presenting evidence in the court of law is democracy. If evidence is shit, the court will throw it out. This has happened in all the lawsuits so far, I believe?

> This has happened in all the lawsuits so far, I believe?

You're being gaslit about that too, although yes, some motions were denied and some lawsuits were rejected outright. Watch the last link in my original post. It explains the propaganda barrage perfectly.

There are a bunch of deadlines and appellate levels baked into this process for a reason. If Al Gore could hold things up for over a month over a few hundred votes, all the concerns about following lawful process are null and void. Same with histrionics about "overturning democracy".

The choice is pretty simple even to Trump voters: either Trump finds the smoking gun and deservedly gets a second term, or he's full of shit and he doesn't deserve a second term. Nobody on the right will set cities on fire either way.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by pjc50 »

rayiner wrote: post #15
echelon wrote: post #8

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Plenty of people on Reddit and TikTok are getting banned on Parler for posting liberal ideas [1]. It's not free speech . It's one-sided. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/parler-ted-cruz-approved-free-speec... Edit: this post is getting downvoted like crazy. People have strong opinions about this.

> "Pretty much all of my leftist friends joined Parler to screw with MAGA folks, and every last one of them was banned in less than 24 hours because conservatives truly love free speech," one user recently wrote on Twitter. It sounds like they were banned for being antagonistic assholes, not for being liberals.

Upthread everyone is arguing that everything except imminent incitement to violence is free speech. Aren't mere insults free speech? Do you not like it when it's aimed at you?
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