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Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by roenxi »

One of the advantages Free Speech has is censorship is only worthwhile if deployed against ideas that have potential to attract people. One of my pet hobbies is arguing against socialism. I don't bother arguing against flat-earthism because nobody sane believes it. But socialism has some compelling points and people keep trying it.

That dynamic will help platforms like Parler. Whether or not the ideas are good ones, the people there going to be people who were pushed off Twitter because they had compelling or persuasive ideas.

Can't meet bad ideas by silencing people. It doesn't work, people just get the impression that the ideas have power.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by echelon »

seibelj wrote: post #9
echelon wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of people on Reddit and TikTok are getting banned on Parler for posting liberal ideas [1]. It's not free speech . It's one-sided. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/parler-ted-cruz-approved-free-speec... Edit: this post is getting downvoted like crazy. People have strong opinions about this.

Do you have any evidence of this? From the article that seems like it violates their entire purpose for existing.

Updated my post with a link. I'll find more.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by echelon »

gizmodo59 wrote: post #10

This whole thread is going to be: * I'm not a liberal but.. * I'm not a conservative but.. * Twitter may be a private company, but.. * Freedom of speech but... If there is a new view point on how to analytically break such news down that would be great to hear indeed!

Money and power has found a way to hack the first amendment. Algorithms are amplifying the most inflammatory messages on both sides to increase engagement.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by tcbawo »

echelon wrote: post #4

How long until America starts putting limits on free speech? IANAL, but we already have laws against libel, slander, and defamation. Section 230 / communications decency could be modified. New laws could be created to prevent amplified spread of factually incorrect information. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to broadcast that speech. I'm not advocating for this, but I see it as a possibility.

There are limits to free speech which have been long established. The clear and present danger doctrine describes limits to free speech, in that you can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater. When/if the amplification possible with social media is connected with mob violence, there could be prosecution. I don't think court systems and law enforcement are sophisticated enough yet, though.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by rayiner »

echelon wrote: post #8
seibelj wrote: post #2

I’m not a conservative but I support free speech. I installed it but the recommended people were Fox News pundits and politicians I didn’t care about. I like the idea of enabling users to hide speech they don’t like rather than a Speech Czar that determines what we are allowed to hear. But it will take some time for something like this to get a critical mass of users to make it work.

Plenty of people on Reddit and TikTok are getting banned on Parler for posting liberal ideas [1]. It's not free speech . It's one-sided. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/parler-ted-cruz-approved-free-speec... Edit: this post is getting downvoted like crazy. People have strong opinions about this.

> "Pretty much all of my leftist friends joined Parler to screw with MAGA folks, and every last one of them was banned in less than 24 hours because conservatives truly love free speech," one user recently wrote on Twitter.

It sounds like they were banned for being antagonistic assholes, not for being liberals.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by seibelj »

echelon wrote: post #12
seibelj wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence of this? From the article that seems like it violates their entire purpose for existing.

Updated my post with a link. I'll find more.

Wow that’s dumb if true, why even bother!?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by lotsofpulp »

yabones wrote: post #6

For those unaware of the connection, Robert Mercer was also a key investor behind Cambridge Analytica, the data firm which played a large role in the hyper targeted Facebook ads during the 2016 election. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-merc...

If I recall correctly, he was also one of the very few rich people to back Trump in 2016, when everyone had written Trump off. Which also caused some drama at Rentech.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by dannyw »

1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints.

2. Instead of changing people’s minds (isn’t the evidence overwhelmingly conclusive that people rarely change political viewpoints?), people flock to “community bubbles” like Parler, TheDonald, etc where they feel welcome.

3. This marginalisation leads to increasing extremism; going from the likes of “immigrants bad” we saw in 2016 to disputing and attempting to overturn democracy.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by dannyw »

echelon wrote: post #13
gizmodo59 wrote: post #10

This whole thread is going to be: * I'm not a liberal but.. * I'm not a conservative but.. * Twitter may be a private company, but.. * Freedom of speech but... If there is a new view point on how to analytically break such news down that would be great to hear indeed!

Money and power has found a way to hack the first amendment. Algorithms are amplifying the most inflammatory messages on both sides to increase engagement.

Money and power has always hacked the first amendment. Before the internet, a few corporations controlled all media a person would be exposed to.
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