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Your comment is still there, and I see no evidence of censorship.
It was removed until I added my own reply.
Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads
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Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads
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What did that get you that iOS doesn't? As far as I know they didn't allow alternative stores either.
It got the market multiple vendors, Apple is the only manufacturer for iOS and Android is the only option for all other manufacturers.
Right. But as a proponent of open devices, neither Google/Android nor Microsoft got me there, because their policies were similar towards the customer, if anything MS was leaning heavier towards the walled garden approach of iOS.
So what did the existence of a third player with identical approach bring?
Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads
#43Good that the root cause is being addressed. In the meantime, I'll be reducing the symptoms by routing all my DNS traffic through my pi.hole instance.
do you force that as a DNS provider, block all other DNS options, including DNS over https? I use AdGuard but there are sooooo many ways around it.
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How are you routing through your pihole when connected only to mobile broadband?
Wireguard. All traffic from my phone is routed thru a VPS hosted in Germany, where all traffic to 8.8.[84].[84] is blocked.
+1 for wireguard. I leave it on always. Only thing I have trouble with is Sonos, which does not even connect to the system even in my own network.
Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads
#45Good that the root cause is being addressed. In the meantime, I'll be reducing the symptoms by routing all my DNS traffic through my pi.hole instance.
How are you routing through your pihole when connected only to mobile broadband?
I use open source app Nebulo[1] which is a localhost pseudo-VPN which reroutes all DNS to any DoH/DoT you want. It also has a request log, I was (not very) surprised when it came my default file manager connects to facespace when I don't have any account there.
The bad news is, GPS still turns on on its own and camera seem to click sometimes
[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.frostnerd....
Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads
#46These bits of litigation are interesting, but my usual takeaway is a mild contempt for the whole thing. Whether it's something minor like this or a major antitrust cases (eg, the recent adwords EU case), what is and isn't legally actionable seems arbitrary from a non-legal perspective. Even legislation efforts like european "cookie laws" and such seem bumbling and naive. What's the legal fix to this, assuming google…
The answer here has been obvious for many years. Clearly, there is a conflict of interest in having an organization interested in selling ads to also make one of the worlds most widely used operating systems.
So we break them up. We regulate their conduct, we interrogate their business and ensure there is no apparent conflicts of interest going on.
Mobile OS solutions LTD would develop Android OS, wouldn't unduly favor any given party more than another.
It's possible, but you'd need to essentially have complete and total access to the daily affairs and perform audits to ensure compliance.
Legislation can fix this but it'd be a mammoth task to challenge Google.
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#47> Under active use, Android devices transfer about 11.6MB of data to Google servers daily, or 350MB per month, it's claimed, which is about half the amount transferred by an iPhone. Interesting, so 350MB of data per month is abuse, iPhones 175MB per month isn't. I guess Google now has to half their data use for it to be at parity with Apple and we're all fine?
likely depends on the settings. iphones i have set up use about 30MB per month for "System Services" dont know how much of that is from real usage vs. telemetry an stuff.
You have a breakdown of individual services also on iOS push notifications are accounted for in system services.
If there is any OS level telemetry it would fall under general which for my iPhone is 105MB in total since I activated it about a year ago. In general over a year+ (11 Pro Max) its 2.5GB with software updates and document sync accounting for over half of it both of which can be explicitly set to use WiFi only same goes for most other services as well.
Just to put things into perspective my total mobile data usage on this iPhone is 253GB, all system services is 1% of that.
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#48I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible
Windows mobile wasn't going to change the world. That said, I'd love to see a real alternative to iOS and Android if for no reason than my phone is a very powerful, very real computer and I can't use it as such.
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#49I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible
Sailfish is still around, and judging by Windows 10 I can't see how having Windows Mobile could improve anything.
I really wanted to use Sailfish as Android alternative. But after reading reviews I think it is just not ready and will not be an alternative to Android and iOS any time soon. There are just too many bugs.
Linux for mobile is also not an alternative. Since there are so many apps missing it can't be compared with Android and iOS. Well at least for me this includes some banking apps that make my life just so much easier.
The only real options right now are the Android forks like LineageOS I think.
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#50Ever heard of NetGuard? With it I block all relevant outgoing and incoming connections to doubleclick, google analytics, my carrier (t-mobile), app-measurements, facebook, etc... The phone attempts connection to one of these just about every second, and I block them all. Hopefully the Librem phones will continue to mature and become my future phone.
NetGuard is great, it can show you the requests done by any apps. Thx to it, I discovered that my default camera app on my phone was sending data to Facebook and many other quite concerning stuff.
Internet access should be a permission (like camera, mic, etc.) unfortunately in Android it isn't the case and any app can communicate with any server. With NetGuard you can decide which app can access internet or not.