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Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible

Don't rely on vendors to help you out of this conundrum, instead use what you have at your disposal to escape the duopoly. Get a supported Android device - there are hundreds of those by now - and install an AOSP-derived distribution like LineageOS. Leave out the Google bits, i.e. no 'gapps', no Google account, no nothing. If you need 'apps' which rely on the Google Services Framework use microG [1] but be aware of t…

Can this approach still use google apps when needed? I need to use certain things like 2FA apps used by my employer. I want the freedom to be able to quickly install X app if needed.

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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Good that the root cause is being addressed. In the meantime, I'll be reducing the symptoms by routing all my DNS traffic through my pi.hole instance.

How are you routing through your pihole when connected only to mobile broadband?

Wireguard. All traffic from my phone is routed thru a VPS hosted in Germany, where all traffic to 8.8.[84].[84] is blocked.

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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Ever heard of NetGuard? With it I block all relevant outgoing and incoming connections to doubleclick, google analytics, my carrier (t-mobile), app-measurements, facebook, etc... The phone attempts connection to one of these just about every second, and I block them all. Hopefully the Librem phones will continue to mature and become my future phone.

Also recommend https://nextdns.io/ which supports common ad block lists, etc. I have my home router and phone set to it and is crazy how many trackers and ads are blocked.

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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> Under active use, Android devices transfer about 11.6MB of data to Google servers daily, or 350MB per month, it's claimed, which is about half the amount transferred by an iPhone. Interesting, so 350MB of data per month is abuse, iPhones 175MB per month isn't. I guess Google now has to half their data use for it to be at parity with Apple and we're all fine?

likely depends on the settings.

iphones i have set up use about 30MB per month for "System Services" dont know how much of that is from real usage vs. telemetry an stuff.

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible

Why would Microsoft help here? Windows has bunch of telemetry too.

Supposedly, a device requires an OS (such as Windows Mobile), which supposedly costs money, and does not have telemetry. Microsoft added telemetry to Windows because it is lucrative (up to the point they were giving Windows 10 away). To get rid of that, what we need is legislation, and then hold these corporations such as Google, Microsoft, and Apple accountable.

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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These bits of litigation are interesting, but my usual takeaway is a mild contempt for the whole thing.

Whether it's something minor like this or a major antitrust cases (eg, the recent adwords EU case), what is and isn't legally actionable seems arbitrary from a non-legal perspective. Even legislation efforts like european "cookie laws" and such seem bumbling and naive.

What's the legal fix to this, assuming google lose? An extra tick box? T&C update?

The reality of interacting with large software companies as a consumer doesn't lend well to brick and mortar analogies. A T&C section is not analogous to a rental contract. Even residential or employment contracts are usually subject to legal filters... cultural norms at least.

The "problem" here is one of structure. Google own android to (a)dominate the mobile phone market and (b) support the targeted ads business, the main business.

Whether or not google are "stealing" data allowance from customers, or acquiring this right voluntarily/contractually from customers is interesting in the abstract, I guess. In is so peripheral to the actual problem though.

I realize this case isn't supposed to be dealing with the wider problems of legal monopolies. The legal/legislative whole is. It seems that whatever the goal of the action (from litigation to legislation or regulation), they pick around the irrelevant edges.

What, legally, should google be legally allowed to do given that it's leveraging the fact that they control your phone, own a lot of your data, etc. If the answer is whatever the T&Cs say, the answer is "everything."

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is still there, and I see no evidence of censorship.

It was removed until I added my own reply.

No it wasn't. Bit less conspiracy-theories please.
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