I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible
Don't rely on vendors to help you out of this conundrum, instead use what you have at your disposal to escape the duopoly. Get a supported Android device - there are hundreds of those by now - and install an AOSP-derived distribution like LineageOS. Leave out the Google bits, i.e. no 'gapps', no Google account, no nothing. If you need 'apps' which rely on the Google Services Framework use microG [1] but be aware of t…
Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads
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#32I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible
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#33Good that the root cause is being addressed. In the meantime, I'll be reducing the symptoms by routing all my DNS traffic through my pi.hole instance.
How are you routing through your pihole when connected only to mobile broadband?
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#34I'm removing this comment.
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#35Ever heard of NetGuard? With it I block all relevant outgoing and incoming connections to doubleclick, google analytics, my carrier (t-mobile), app-measurements, facebook, etc... The phone attempts connection to one of these just about every second, and I block them all. Hopefully the Librem phones will continue to mature and become my future phone.
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#36> Under active use, Android devices transfer about 11.6MB of data to Google servers daily, or 350MB per month, it's claimed, which is about half the amount transferred by an iPhone. Interesting, so 350MB of data per month is abuse, iPhones 175MB per month isn't. I guess Google now has to half their data use for it to be at parity with Apple and we're all fine?
iphones i have set up use about 30MB per month for "System Services" dont know how much of that is from real usage vs. telemetry an stuff.
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#37Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads
#38I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible
Why would Microsoft help here? Windows has bunch of telemetry too.
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#39Whether it's something minor like this or a major antitrust cases (eg, the recent adwords EU case), what is and isn't legally actionable seems arbitrary from a non-legal perspective. Even legislation efforts like european "cookie laws" and such seem bumbling and naive.
What's the legal fix to this, assuming google lose? An extra tick box? T&C update?
The reality of interacting with large software companies as a consumer doesn't lend well to brick and mortar analogies. A T&C section is not analogous to a rental contract. Even residential or employment contracts are usually subject to legal filters... cultural norms at least.
The "problem" here is one of structure. Google own android to (a)dominate the mobile phone market and (b) support the targeted ads business, the main business.
Whether or not google are "stealing" data allowance from customers, or acquiring this right voluntarily/contractually from customers is interesting in the abstract, I guess. In is so peripheral to the actual problem though.
I realize this case isn't supposed to be dealing with the wider problems of legal monopolies. The legal/legislative whole is. It seems that whatever the goal of the action (from litigation to legislation or regulation), they pick around the irrelevant edges.
What, legally, should google be legally allowed to do given that it's leveraging the fact that they control your phone, own a lot of your data, etc. If the answer is whatever the T&Cs say, the answer is "everything."