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Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Many don't have the luxury of changing their line of work or company. Organizing the workers and potentially unionizing is an option for those people.

Uber is still bleeding money, unionizing would essentially put Uber out of business.

If a company can't both sustain itself and its employees financially, surely that's a failed business? If the only way you can survive is by exploiting the poor, maybe you should be rethinking your strategy.

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The kind of Christian minister that cares more about, and talks more about social justice than they do about Christ.

You're right, Jesus didn't give a damn about social justice. Christianity and the need for justice and equality are completely separate. /s

Jesus was the son of God, come to bring the Kingdom of Heaven. He was not an activist. Attempting to elide the difference between the idea of justice and an ideology that’s maybe old enough to vote will not erase that distinction.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Maybe I'm too libertarian-leaning, but doesn't the author of the article have the option of NOT driving for Uber? If California is truly one of the wealthiest economies, the author should be able to find a different line of work.

Maybe I'm too left-leaning, but doesn't it feel wrong to deny people the possibility of seeing a doctor, calling in sick if they don't feel good or earning enough money to afford more than Ramen at the end of the month, no matter their line of work? It's great that the HN crowd is primarily privileged from an income point of view, but I find it hard to fathom that people lose sight of the fact that not everyone is th…

~75% of Uber drivers in CA drive If I could drive 25 hours per week and get a better-than-ramen wage plus full health benefits then sigh me up. I’m sure there are millions like me.

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As a disabled person who has also benefitted immensely from Uber, I hear this a lot, and it is really frustrating. No one will help me, especially progressive leaning people. You don't get political or social brownie points for helping disabled people the way you would for other minority groups who are struggling. We are constantly ignored and forgotten. I was in a situation where I needed money for healthcare that w…

I imagine it was also good for your mental state of well-being. You didn't have to sign up for a handout or even get a "goodwill" job like a greeter or something at a big box store. Uber and Airbnb didn't have to take a loss to employ you. You got paid because you provided value to people willing to pay for it, just like the rest of us. That's not to say we don't need social safety nets, or that it'd work for any dis…

> Uber and Airbnb didn't have to take a loss to employ you.

Oh really? Has Uber turned a profit yet?

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"thank God for these benevolent companies that lobby against universal healthcare and labor unions, so they can then be there for us when we don't have healthcare or union protection" Put another way: "Thank God purdue pharma is now manufacturing the cure[1] for the opioid epidemic that purdue pharma started" 1. https://apnews.com/article/6751b84767e8a1ebbaea6cb628ac2a11

uber, lyft, and airbnb are not the reason our healthcare system is a mess. There is a lot of bad you can lay at their feet, but this isn't one of them

labor rights and healthcare rights are inextricably linked because if there were universal healthcare, labor unions would have more leverage and vice versa (if labor unions were stronger, universal healthcare would be more likely to pass)

https://www.laborforsinglepayer.org/

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I did not purchase a health care plan with the money. I purchased effective treatments. To be frank, the healthcare system is worse than useless for many when it comes to debilitating chronic illness. I do qualify for disability, but I can't afford the legal fees to convince a judge. My illness is very controversial and would require paying a very expensive doctor to support my case. It's cheaper for me to just pay f…

>I did not purchase a health care plan with the money. I purchased effective treatments. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19850269

This post is outdated. I now use emeramide.

Edit: emeramide is currently in phase 2 clinical trials for FDA approval.

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If these companies are as bad to work for as this author describes, why on earth would she continue to work for them? The author’s rebuttal might be that she has no choice because these are her only options. If that were true, then I’d be much more grateful and wouldn’t advocate for laws that might destroy them. These companies didn’t exist a decade ago and the continued existence of gig work is not a foregone conclu…

My cynical take: the alternative is to write freelance articles that are sufficiently tribalistic to fit in with modern digital media. Luckily for the author, freelance writing was carved an exemption from AB5 after AB5 originally crushed freelance writing opportunities.

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"Social justice" and "justice" aren't the same thing. Jesus cared about the latter.

...and he didn't care about the former? Seriously?

No. He wasn't a political actor. He was concerned with God's law and not the law of man. Not to mention that social justice as a concept came long after Jesus's time.

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Alternative spin, same facts: "voters undo unpopular overreach by state government".

For real. My exposure to California news is basically just what I see on HN and anything that hits national headlines.

I had no idea Californians would vote for something like this. Kind of makes you wonder how large the disconnect is between what we see in the media and what people actually think.

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Conceptually, it's pretty clear: For the single person that needs (or wants) its Uber income, the law is good because they get their income as before. However, it's only good because the whole system is bad (e.g. that labor has no power in the US). So the question whether the law is "good" is rather the question: What's the alternative? For as long as there's no alternative for Uber etc., the law is good. If there were alternatives (e.g. jobs that have benefits), it would be the worst. To sum it up: Poor people in America have no choice. The system is bad. You have to take what you get (e.g. a Uber Job) and be happy for it.

As an aside: all these anecdotes about people using Uber as a sidejob and enjoying it are missing the point: Uber might be a good sidejob for you/your friends but that's only because either they don't get a fulltime job or their fulltime job doesnt pay enough. They don't do it because they want to, they do it because they need to.

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