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CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Sine I get flagged when I post anything contrary or questioning the narrative of this story that this was the most secure election... I might as well post a better story.

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Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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> Isn't the actual problem the abusive relationship and that pressure to vote a certain way a symptom? The solution isn't to ban no mail in ballots for those that want to vote that way, but to offer assistance to empower people to get out of that situation. If a voting system requires zero abusive power dynamics to work, it’s a bad system. Also, banning mail-in ballots isn’t the only solution. Early voting is an alte…

All of the above seems like the best solution

I agree. Was just responding to OP saying “mail-in ballots are secret ballots.” They are not. To return to our status quo of secret ballots, a mail-in ballot system needs additional thought.

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/11/12/pennsyl... I don't understand how you can say the Election was the "most secure" when you literally have a Court in Pennsylvania throw out 10,000 ballots! If the system was so "secure" it shouldn't have even gone to the Courts in the first place and instead the electoral system should have found out the discrepancies on its own! The truth is that US electoral syste…

That has nothing to do with 'security' it has to do with electoral policy changes.

I would argue it would be more helpful if the rules were established in every state by a completely non-partisan entity and that they couldn't be changed arbitrarily.

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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> It makes me wonder how a statement like this can be proved. >> There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised I suppose it might depend on how you read that statement. One person might read it as "There is no evidence (that exists/that will exist) that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised", in which cas…

I always read "we got pwn3d" disclosures this way. For example, it's common to read something like "we have found no evidence that the hacked data has been (ab)used ...". Cynical me just assumes they decided to leave out the rest of the sentence, "... because we didn't actually go looking for any such evidence", therefore they can ("honestly") "plead ignorance".

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Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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New York Post Article, hope this satisfies. https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/michigan-gop-claims-software-i...

An error happening, being discovered and corrected through validation (that at least according to some reports is going to be always done before certification of the result: https://mobile.twitter.com/jhalderm/status/13251633006996480... ) seems like the overall system working just fine? Something to fix (why have the early machine result if it's so easily broken), but doesn't seem that different than someone fat-fin…

You either have a machine tallying the votes that works 100% of the time during the election. Otherwise, everyone can reasonably question the results from a machine that works 99% of the time.

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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I don't think you can avoid the politics of the situation because when it comes to presidential candidates, when the R candidate wins, much will be made of how broken the system is, from vulnerabilities in voting machines to fatal flaws in the Constitution itself (viz., the Electoral College). When the D candidate wins, we are assured that election security is airtight, there's no evidence of significant irregulariti…

Every person who downvoted you knows this too. They are being willfully ignorant because they are too smart not to notice at least in the slightest the difference in treatment.

And everyone who downvoted you too rofl

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Every person who downvoted you knows this too. They are being willfully ignorant because they are too smart not to notice at least in the slightest the difference in treatment.

I don't think it's true. Democrats still don't like the electoral college even when they win. The real margin in this election would be over 5 million instead of the hundred of thousands if the EC didn't exist. And in this case the Republican claims of misnformation and conspiracy have seemed so outlandish and baseless it's hard to take any of them seriously. Like videos of ballots being burned, that turned out to be…

The problem is that the well is completely poisoned. There are some interesting claims, and some ridiculous ones, and nobody has time to develop an informed opinion on all of them so you just find a few examples which support your priors.

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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The possible connection I see: who watches the watchers? What's the difference in trusting CISA vs PRISM? I have no ill intent, and I find all of this stuff distressing.

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Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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A possible solution to the electronic/paper issue might be literally just receipts. You vote in a 'machine' and it prints a 2 receipts - one for the 'backup' and one that you keep with some kind of encrypted/encoded data for non-repudiation. You go online with your private receipt number and it can validate your vote. If the electronic count is not accepted, the physical 'receipts' are coded so they can be counted ve…

> You go online with your private receipt number and it can validate your vote.

What precisely do you mean by "validate" here? Would this scheme make the ballot non-secret?

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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On what basis? Because there aren't any rumors of Russian meddling being sowed by the opposition this time? There are multiple states with no paper audit trail, closed source electronic voting machines, multiple dubious last-minute decisions made around postal ballots due to COVID, no easy way to verify the voter roll. Making a claim like this reeks of partisanship.

Wow this comment has been here for 2 hours and isn’t drowning in downvotes...
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