CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

Post by jlgaddis » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 5:14 AM UTC

aw1621107 wrote: post #78

nmlnn wrote: post #5

TIL, electronic voting machines are CLOSED SOURCE (hardware and software) - that should be completely unacceptable in an open democracy. It makes me wonder how a statement like this can be proved. > There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised When it comes to something as important as elections the mantra should be: don't trust. verify.

> It makes me wonder how a statement like this can be proved. >> There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised I suppose it might depend on how you read that statement. One person might read it as "There is no evidence (that exists/that will exist) that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised", in which cas…

Post by Animats » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 5:16 AM UTC

Post by Animats » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 5:21 AM UTC

snowwrestler wrote: post #59

Someone1234 wrote: post #8

Eight states[0] still have electronic voting systems without paper backups. They're un-auditable. I'm not going to weigh in on the current politics of this situation, but US Election security is awful, now, and since at least 2000. I actually did my degree thesis on designing electronic voting systems (and built one), and ultimately concluded it was impossible to make them fully secure. The best you can do is paper b…

There has been progress since 2000. While some states still have electronic-only voting machines, the trend seems to be away from them toward paper mark-and-scan. In addition there is greater awareness of the value of risk-limiting audits. Heck, Georgia is voluntarily hand-recounting their entire presidential ballot. And the debacle in Florida in 2000 has arguably led to better ballot design as well. I took the CISA…

Post by jungletime » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 5:24 AM UTC

Post by Larrikin » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 5:27 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #83

jcranmer wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mail-in ballots are secret ballots. The way they work is that they have two envelopes: you put your ballot in the inner envelope, which has no indication of who is casting the ballot. All of that information is on the outer envelope. When processing the ballot, the information is checked on the outer envelope; once verified, the inner envelope is then handed to another station to be opened and fed into the counting m…

> Mail-in ballots are secret ballots I’ve knocked on doors in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Many registered Democrats (usually the wife) denied being Democrats when their partners were around. I thought this was an error in our data until I revisited the neighbourhood. Husband wasn’t home. Wife scolded us. He is an ardent Republican and wouldn’t appreciate how she votes. Mail-in ballots let voters verify their vote to…