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It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by benhurmarcel »

ragnese wrote: post #53
kyrers wrote: post #12

I don't understand this. As said in other comments, I believe most people wouldn't want most of the things the author describes. If I want to cook at home and have to order everything, I assume it won't just be there in 5 minutes. And then what? If everything is shared does someone come pick it up when someone else needs it? Do I take it somewhere? Also, are people delivering these things? Or robots? And how can this…

The article is definitely not the "best" version of this vision of the future I've read... Not that I'm advocating for this future in any way, but I assume that a more realistic version of this (especially for as near as 2030) is that many people still have jobs that have an actual schedule. Maybe we can be optimistic and dream that people get to work less than 40 hours a week to have a reasonable quality of life. Bu…

> Probably you'd still own your playstation

We're not far off to rent that, with streaming. Which I can totally see myself doing one day actually.

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Post by pmiller2 »

xapata wrote: post #170
godelski wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My cat almost never wants to go outside. She also isn't allowed outside. So is she captive or not? What if I let her out? She's still my pet and while I love her, she's captive. I'm not sure it would be different if she was an outdoor cat except her life expectancy would drop. Would you not define my cat (a pet) as captive?

For most pet cats, no. In my own experience with a pet cat, if he really wanted to run away, he could have. The opposite would happen. He'd sneak out when we weren't paying attention and then we'd accidentally lock him outside. We'd eventually hear the meowing and let him back in.

My dog is not a captive, either. I can leave my door wide open, and she won't even try to leave.

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Post by fleischhauf »

guenthert wrote: post #160
indymike wrote: post #149

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What is interesting is that how much of the economy would have to lose most or all revenue for this model to work. Shrinking GDP is very hard to pull off.

> Shrinking GDP is very hard to pull off. ??? We easily managed this year.

I wouldnt call a global pandemic easy..

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Post by game_the0ry »

eyeball wrote: post #214

It’s exceedingly creepy that so many powerful people buy into this creepy utopian crap. https://time.com/collection/great-reset/

It's because they see the changes coming and they want to control the direction of the narrative.

The narrative:

- Blame covid, not the bad policy that set the world in this direction (bc then the "elites" might be held accountable for their bad policy). Note that they were preparing for the downturn into 2030 back in as late as 2016 - the WEF "elites" have seen this coming for a while, and covid is an opportunity to aggressively push the narrative.

- The changes will be for the better, particularly for your quality of life. Except things are getting worse for the average person. The WEF "elites" are trying to sell blissful ignorance.

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Post by game_the0ry »

rvense wrote: post #204
game_the0ry wrote: post #148

This is a part of World Economic Forum marketing the concept of "The Great Reset"[1]. The founder of WEF has wrote a book about this and there is even a podcast. Basically, they are mentally preparing policy makers and their citizen(-slaves) for much a much lower quality of living, with the blame on covid (not the bad policy the WEF attendees have pushed in their respective countries...how convenient). Case in point…

The article is four years old.

Indeed. The WEF "elites" have been preparing for a decline in economics as we go into 2030.

Now they can blame covid (instead of taking responsibility for bad policy that got us here) and you see that through their marketing of the Great Reset.

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Post by test1_1234 »

cryptica wrote: post #45
cryptica wrote: post #35

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Of course it's a scam. "You will own nothing and be happy". That is BS of the highest order. There will always be someone who owns and controls everything. It's just not going to be you. You will own nothing, you will be worthless. You won't even be able to have a girlfriend/boyfriend or friends for that matter; real human relationships are reserved for the elites. You will get as many VR friends as you want though.…

I can't believe that people are downvoting this without making any arguments to refute it; they're thinking emotionally, looking at things through rose-colored lenses. Sometimes it seems like everyone is on drugs. People's brains are turning into swiss cheese. Trying to censor information is just not going to work. Controlling the media is not going to help beyond a certain point. People know what's going on and they…

>The current elites don't have the ability to suppress billions of people who were raised on freedom as the central principle of their existence.

I hope I'm not too cynical, but I think "freedom" is more of a meme than something that most people value. Whenever there are news stories about governments spying on their own citizens or restricting free speech, most people seem to just shrug and move on with their lives.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by rvense »

game_the0ry wrote: post #216
rvense wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is four years old.

Indeed. The WEF "elites" have been preparing for a decline in economics as we go into 2030. Now they can blame covid (instead of taking responsibility for bad policy that got us here) and you see that through their marketing of the Great Reset.

I seriously don't see it. I click around on the WEF site and it's just a bunch of hot air like you'd expect. These aren't lizard men, they're inconsequential bureaucrats.

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Post by ardy42 »

game_the0ry wrote: post #148

This is a part of World Economic Forum marketing the concept of "The Great Reset"[1]. The founder of WEF has wrote a book about this and there is even a podcast. Basically, they are mentally preparing policy makers and their citizen(-slaves) for much a much lower quality of living, with the blame on covid (not the bad policy the WEF attendees have pushed in their respective countries...how convenient). Case in point…

> The first is: "You will own nothing. And you'll be happy"[1]. My questions - who does the "owning" and does this apply to the "elites" that attend Davos?

Well, I suppose that could work out if we have a communist revolution in 2025, and we introduce the backs of those elites to various walls.

Otherwise, fuck that noise.

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Post by krebs_liebhaber »

john_moscow wrote: post #155

A bigger, much bigger problem, is that having a family and raising kids is effectively being outsourced to cheaper countries. Come to think of it, about 50 years ago you could afford a mortgage on a detached house from a single salary, where the other parent would dedicate their time to raising/teaching the kids. That would also make people need each other more, and care more about alignment of values, since that's s…

> having a family and raising kids is effectively being outsourced to cheaper countries.

Nah, not really. Working-class Americans are still having plenty of kids. Putting off starting a family ("I don't want to settle down yet"; "I don't make X amount of money"; "I haven't 'found myself' and lived out my idealized twenties") is mostly a PMC[0] striver thing.

> 2 median salaries will barely pay for your apartment rent.

Maybe in NYC or Frisco. In the rest of the country, people can get along just fine on two salaries. My parents sure did.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional-managerial_class

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