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The results seem a little weird but if remotely true then these machines are going to sell like cup cakes. Why would anyone (who is not forced) buy an Intel PC laptop when these are available and priced as competitive as they are?
The Macbook Air with 16GB RAM and 512GB isn't really priced competitively here in Germany. It's almost 1600€.
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"uncertain future of macos as it continues to be locked down" Citation Needed . Apple detractors LOVE to bring this idea up, but there's nothing to it in any real sense. Do Macs ship with a checkbox filled in that limits software vendors? Yes. This is a good thing. Is it trivial to change this setting? Also yes. Anyone who buys a Mac can run any software on it they like. There is no lockdown.
There is a lockdown as you cannot even boot linux anymore...
Of course, Apple as an OEM does not support running non-Mac OSes, so virtualization should still be preferred for most use cases.
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Many apps optimized for the x64 platform won't run as well as the benchmarks.
I think this is an important one to keep in mind. I'm sure most native Mac apps will be compiled to ARM, but a lot of existing apps won't. Plus there's the brouhaha about Electron apps. I for one really wouldn't mind if Apple would build a native app to replace Electron apps, e.g. a chat app that works as a good client for (what I have open right now in Rambox) Discord, FB Messenger, Whatsapp and multiple Slack chann…
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Although I personally care about every point you listed, I don’t think most buyers care about any of them.
> Although I personally care about every point you listed, I don’t think most buyers care about any of them. Buyers don't especially care about performance either to be honest, unless they care about one of those factors in order to need it.
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The results seem a little weird but if remotely true then these machines are going to sell like cup cakes. Why would anyone (who is not forced) buy an Intel PC laptop when these are available and priced as competitive as they are?
Many apps optimized for the x64 platform won't run as well as the benchmarks.
X86 code translated by Rosetta2 on the M1 retains/releases objects TWICE as fast as native x86 processors.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Catfish_Man/status/13262387851813...
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They did mention in a presentation some applications ran even quicker in Rosetta 2 than native. Though Wine isn't an emulator, I've seen the same in Wine numerous times. How many, which, etc, who knows? Interesting to figure out regardless.
This is often because it's translating syscalls rather than emulating them, so for applications that are only asking the OS to do the real work, in those cases it's running native code. And then it's running it on a current day CPU instead of one from two years ago. Unfortunately, although applications like that exist, they're not the common case.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Catfish_Man/status/13262387851813...
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Did not know that, and indeed the pentium m / core / core 2 series microarches have done incredibly well. I've become something of CPU collector in recent years, and I have a nice line of p6 cpus from thePentium Pro -> Pentium 2 -> Pentium 3 -> Pentium M -> Core 2 that conveniently sidesteps those awful Netburst p4 CPUs. It feels like this (p6+) microarch has finally run out of road and needs a rethink. What 'saved'…
> I've become something of CPU collector in recent years, and I have a nice line of p6 cpus from thePentium Pro I bought i486DX for $20 month ago, as a memo of my first CPU.
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Fake news. These are not Macs and are very overclocked PCs (Hackintosh).
Not sure why this is downvoted? The top score shows a 6.472GHz clock speed - clearly not stock. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4644694.gb5
Also notice this result is using clang9 while the MacBook results are using clang12. I assume clang12 has more and better optimizations.
> The M1 chip, which belongs to a MacBook Air with 8GB RAM, features a single-core score of 1687 and a multi-core score of 7433. According to the benchmark, the M1 has a 3.2GHz base frequency. > The Mac mini with M1 chip that was benchmarked earned a single-core score of 1682 and a multi-core score of 7067. > Update: There's also a benchmark for the 13-inch MacBook Pro with M1 chip and 16GB RAM that has a single-core…
One has to remember that Apple is still selling an Intel mac mini at the top of the range: it likely means something about the performance to expect from M1 vs Intel.
Apple released a killer low end SOC in the M1. It contains the highest performance single core processor in the world along with high end multi core performance. But it’s limited to 16Gb and two USB4/Thunderbolt ports, so it’s targeted at the low end.
When the M2 is released mid next year, it will be even faster, support four USB4/Thunderbolt ports and will also come in 32Gb and 64Gb versions.
Greatness takes a small wait sometimes.
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It's also funny that Johny Srouji and probably others in his team come from the team at Intel in Israel that "saved" Intel in the early 2000s by designing the Intel Core architecture which is still used by Intel today. cf. Anandtech article from 2003: https://www.anandtech.com/show/1083/2
Some people are priceless. One of the designers of Ryzen, Jim Keller [1], for example. [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/12689/cpu-design-guru-jim-kel...