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Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Bayart »

satysin wrote: post #779
chungus_khan wrote: post #768

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not really true. Every modern Intel, AMD, and Nvidia GPU does actually include hardware to accelerate encoding video, it's just that software solutions end up being preferred in a lot of cases because they produce better output and can be continually improved. A large body of encoding software is however, perfectly capable of taking advantage of them. The comparison is kind of silly.

> The comparison is kind of silly. I disagree. Sure we have things like NVENC for accelerated H.265 encoding but that is an additional hardware expense and means only the machines you have that hardware in benefits. This will literally be all Macs from a $699 Mini and up. I don't know enough about Intel QuickSync to compare but it clearly isn't used on the iMac in that video for some reason (perhaps the software does…

The way hardware encoding works is to be focused on a small set of specific presets with little flexibility for the end user. It's fine for hobbyists, streaming etc. but nobody's going to use it for a professional render.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by sz4kerto »

typon wrote: post #846
sz4kerto wrote: post #842

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The industry is not moving _this fast_. Intel still has many-many opportunities (and years) to catch up. > If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. The market already has the information you have, so it is unlikely that your evaluation of Intel's expected future profits is significantly better/more insightful that others'.

> The market already has the information you have, so it is unlikely that your evaluation of Intel's expected future profits is significantly better/more insightful that others' This is religion

I am not saying the market is perfect, etc., just that looking at benchmarks and deciding that the stock must be overvalued because the benchmarks don't look good is an oversimplification.

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Post by Mindwipe »

selectodude wrote: post #843
lmilcin wrote: post #839

If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. Not only can't they compete with AMD, Apple now started running circles around them all. I wonder what the world is going to be like when companies own entire stack including all hardware (even things like cameras and displays) and applications (including app stores). There is going to be no competition as any new player would have to first join an…

>If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. Until Intel stops making huge amounts of money, I'm not sure, as a company, they're in huge trouble. Apple isn't going to be selling the M1 to other companies and other companies have proven they don't have the mettle to spend what Apple is spending to make chips like this. Really, AMD should be a little worried since they have some counterparty r…

> Really, AMD should be a little worried since they have some counterparty risk getting all of their chips made by TSMC. At least Intel controls their own production.

Chip fab is probably a short term risk but not a medium long term one, as the situation with Huawei has made it very clear to world governments that having competitive chip fab capabilities is incredibly important from a geopolitical power point of view. I would expect to see significant investment by various governments in the next ten years into addressing it.

(If you have a proven skillset in that area and no particular ties to the country you live in I would look into buying a yacht.)

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by lmilcin »

selectodude wrote: post #843
lmilcin wrote: post #839

If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. Not only can't they compete with AMD, Apple now started running circles around them all. I wonder what the world is going to be like when companies own entire stack including all hardware (even things like cameras and displays) and applications (including app stores). There is going to be no competition as any new player would have to first join an…

>If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. Until Intel stops making huge amounts of money, I'm not sure, as a company, they're in huge trouble. Apple isn't going to be selling the M1 to other companies and other companies have proven they don't have the mettle to spend what Apple is spending to make chips like this. Really, AMD should be a little worried since they have some counterparty r…

Stock value is a view on future, not current financial situation of the company, with relation to what existing market thinks it is going to be.

By buying stock you say: I believe the company is going to be better than the market thinks it is going to be.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by mholm »

ip26 wrote: post #90

If the M1 mops the floor with everything else, why didn't they put it in the high-end 16-inch MBP too?

It does by performance, but RAM and IO are still very constrained (1 external display on laptops, max 16GB RAM) We'll see. If they replaced all products with an M1 version, they're diluting their pro brand, then un-diluting it when they figure out the pro features?

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Post by hans1729 »

lmilcin wrote: post #839

If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. Not only can't they compete with AMD, Apple now started running circles around them all. I wonder what the world is going to be like when companies own entire stack including all hardware (even things like cameras and displays) and applications (including app stores). There is going to be no competition as any new player would have to first join an…

> 'There is going to be no competition'

this is what some of the intricate systems related to technological progress and markets we're dealing with converge on, yes.

In these terms, I'd rather look at this with a different perspective: the platforms are becoming more mature.

Think of it as an organism; there is nothing natural about outsourcing the control flow of your own components. My intuition for natural design would be something along the lines of microservices (like our biological organs), organically defining the greater entity they themselves form (the company).

Apple is just one illustration of systems getting out of control. Think of international politics, or edgecases in financial markets. Our systems didn't escape us, because they were never truly under control.

Therefore, this isn't dystopian. It is dystopian from a reference frame within wich you claim to have control, but you don't, and you never had. To exercize any control over technological and economic progress is _way_ beyond our individual scope, by a margin of at least one level of abstraction.

Instead, this is a transition from one system (one with decentralized and autonomous components (subcontractors et al)) to the next (one with organic components).

Within our current game, that feels dystopian, but that won't matter, because it won't be the same game anymore. Iteratively, that is.

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Post by Mindwipe »

zwily wrote: post #711
moondev wrote: post #682

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would anyone (who is not forced) buy an Intel PC laptop when these are available and priced as competitive as they are? - locked bootloader - no bootcamp - can't install or boot linux or windows - virtualization limited to arm64 machines - no windows x86 or linux x86 virtual machines - only 2 thunderbolt ports - limited to 16GB RAM - no external gpu support/drivers - can't use nvidia or amd cards - no AAA gamin…

Although I personally care about every point you listed, I don’t think most buyers care about any of them.

> Although I personally care about every point you listed, I don’t think most buyers care about any of them.

Buyers don't especially care about performance either to be honest, unless they care about one of those factors in order to need it.

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Post by samtheprogram »

selectodude wrote: post #843
lmilcin wrote: post #839

If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. Not only can't they compete with AMD, Apple now started running circles around them all. I wonder what the world is going to be like when companies own entire stack including all hardware (even things like cameras and displays) and applications (including app stores). There is going to be no competition as any new player would have to first join an…

>If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. Until Intel stops making huge amounts of money, I'm not sure, as a company, they're in huge trouble. Apple isn't going to be selling the M1 to other companies and other companies have proven they don't have the mettle to spend what Apple is spending to make chips like this. Really, AMD should be a little worried since they have some counterparty r…

Intel may or may not be controlling their production in the future; although it’s claimed to be for the short term, they’ve also started using TSMC.

source: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/intel-now-ordering-chips-tsmc...

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Post by Mindwipe »

Reason077 wrote: post #703
moondev wrote: post #682

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would anyone (who is not forced) buy an Intel PC laptop when these are available and priced as competitive as they are? - locked bootloader - no bootcamp - can't install or boot linux or windows - virtualization limited to arm64 machines - no windows x86 or linux x86 virtual machines - only 2 thunderbolt ports - limited to 16GB RAM - no external gpu support/drivers - can't use nvidia or amd cards - no AAA gamin…

> "no AAA gaming" This is, arguably, a disadvantage of any Mac. But Apple Silicon may actually improve the situation over time, as having the same GPUs and APIs on Macs and iOS devices means there is now a much bigger market for game developers to target with the same codebase.

> But Apple Silicon may actually improve the situation over time, as having the same GPUs and APIs on Macs and iOS devices means there is now a much bigger market for game developers to target with the same codebase.

Not really. The business models for desktop gaming are completely different to mobile devices, and there is no meaningful common market.

I think people will actually be surprised at how few games from iOS will even run on an ARM Mac because developers will block them.

It used to be possible to do some gaming on a Mac - the vast, vast majority of Steam users have graphics hardware of a level that was perfectly achievable on a Mac, especially with an eGPU. The end of x86 is the end of that market, forever.

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Post by Mindwipe »

armincerf wrote: post #828
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #569

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I think this is an important one to keep in mind. I'm sure most native Mac apps will be compiled to ARM, but a lot of existing apps won't. Plus there's the brouhaha about Electron apps. I for one really wouldn't mind if Apple would build a native app to replace Electron apps, e.g. a chat app that works as a good client for (what I have open right now in Rambox) Discord, FB Messenger, Whatsapp and multiple Slack chann…

Most of the electron apps out there already have native iOS versions which will run natively on AS macs too, that should go a long way to smooth the transition (and will be interesting to see how much extra RAM you gain from not needing slack/spotify/notion etc to run on Electron). I guess there will still be issues for people who need to run VMs or media apps like Adobe CC etc, and also it will take a while for some…

> Most of the electron apps out there already have native iOS versions which will run natively on AS macs too, that should go a long way to smooth the transition (and will be interesting to see how much extra RAM you gain from not needing slack/spotify/notion etc to run on Electron).

They don't have desktop UIs, and will be a big step down for most users. You can't seriously argue the UI doesn't matter on a Mac.

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