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Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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I am probably going to get one. How much thermal paste are they planning to use on these things?

The thermal paste is there only to improve heat transfer between two imperfect surfaces. The real question is what the heatsink on these puppies will look like.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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AMD's Zen 3 (Ryzen 5xxx series) are beating the Apple M1 in single core score: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore As another datapoint Ian (of Anandtech) estimated that the M1 would need to be clocked at 3.25Ghz to match Zen 3, and these systems are showing a 3.2Ghz clock: https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1326516048309460992

OK... but let's say it's 95% there, even. How much power does an M1 draw compared to a 5950X? It's not even funny. And the M1 is running at a lower clock.

It’s very impressive. It seems like the open computing platforms where you have control of your hardware/ os are in real trouble.

I use Mac at work, but Linux at home, if the hardware isn’t competitive....

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Its not though, The 16 inch has known performance bottlenecks on both thermal and power draw.

Tell me more, I'm dying to go to the Apple Store and get this replaced.

Start adobe premier, any significantly complex scene and render it. The system will throttle down to 1.2ghz, sometimes even 1 ghz .

I'm testing on is the 2019 core i9 2.3 ghz. Apple "Genius" bar tells me this is expected, no replacement in warranty. Maybe the 2020 is better, but after getting this as an answer I wont be buying another apple macbook.

The prior 2018 Core i9 Apple MacBook Pro had previous issues with insufficient power supply to the CPU core (this might be fixed, but I can't even sustain it due to thermal throttling, so I can't really tell).

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Yeah, the Mac Pro supports up to 1.5TB of DRAM (vs. 16GB), it's got a bunch of slots and discrete GPUs, and it can run Windows and Windows VMs. I hope it doesn't end up as an orphan system like the 2013 "trash can" Mac Pro, which was an interesting system that got zero upgrades. Perhaps Apple will offer Apple Silicon upgrades to Mac Pro buyers. Assuming they can build it (and they have implied that they can scale the…

> Apple could even bring back an Apple Silicon powered Xserve Given their performance/watt, this sounds like it could be potentially game changing.

It's clear to me that they will.

Amazon, Google, Microsoft each have a cloud offering.

The M1 is just what Apple needed to compete there.

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This idea of “actual professionals” that always comes up in response to apple’s “Pro” moniker amuses me to no end. Everybody throws the term around and no two people have the same definition! What in the world is an actual professional? There are professional journalists that just need a browser and text editor. There are professional programmers working on huge code bases in compiled languages that do need a beefy m…

Gruber addresses this in his latest post [1]. Short answer: Pro usually means nicer, not necessarily for professionals only.

Think about it: the M1-based MacBook Air has better CPU and graphics performance than Intel-based laptops—including Apple’s—that are targeted at professionals.

[1]: https://daringfireball.net/2020/11/one_more_thing_the_m1_mac...

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And the Dell is $500 more

To think I lived to see the day when you buy a macbook for value

I am an anti-fanboy, not buying apple for the last 6 years, but couldn't resist its value now. Sounds like a good time. Buying M1 today is quite a good timing strategy guesstimating M2(or whatever name) with 32GB+ will come in next 2 years or so.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Sure, call it what you want. This is the beta product. It’ll be buggy. It won’t be full throttle. I’m excited for whatever is next.

This is the beta product. It’ll be buggy. Doubtful. You know they've been using ARM-based Macs with the requisite version of macOS for at least a year inside of Apple. They've done a processor transition two other times; unlike the last two times, this time Apple controls the entire stack, which wasn't the case going from 68K to PowerPC or from PowerPC to Intel. Apple has been designing their own processors for a dec…

Rosetta 2 hasn't had much mileage yet, though.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspective, as well.

This is salient, and almost upsetting frankly as I (and others?) have been looking for a 'way off' the platform after years of grievance. This is might just be good enough to keep their core platform value in place. It's a shrewd move in their part, it's been a while since we've seen this level of core innovation on their non-iOS offers.

It’s a huge problem for open computing to be sure.

This isn’t risk free, issues having to do with supply and process and frankly geopolitics can cause problems. But it looks like they’re off to a good start.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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The M1 is just the tip of the iceberg. It’s an MVP desktop arm chip. M2, M3... that is when I think we will see stellar performance against things like Ryzen.

I dunno. I find it hard to believe that their next chips will be more powerful. You must have an inside with Apple to know this

They wouldn't have announced the full transition if they weren't confident they could deliver. They would have kept the ARM for the low end models and Intel for the high end.
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