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Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by p1esk »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #276
zdw wrote: post #274

AMD's Zen 3 (Ryzen 5xxx series) are beating the Apple M1 in single core score: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore As another datapoint Ian (of Anandtech) estimated that the M1 would need to be clocked at 3.25Ghz to match Zen 3, and these systems are showing a 3.2Ghz clock: https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1326516048309460992

OK... but let's say it's 95% there, even. How much power does an M1 draw compared to a 5950X? It's not even funny. And the M1 is running at a lower clock.

M1 can't run all existing x86 code natively. Ryzen can.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by imwally »

jsjohnst wrote: post #169
imwally wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve always used 15” MBPs without external displays as my only computer for years. I like being mobile and don’t particularly like having a desktop + laptop. Since COVID I’ve been stuck at home so I decided to finally get an external monitor. The problem is that you can’t use the 16” with an external display and the lid open without the fans spinning at full speed. Some people don’t mind it but it drives me crazy. No…

> The problem is that you can’t use the 16” with an external display and the lid open without the fans spinning at full speed Say what? I have a LG 5K and two 27” Apple Thunderbolt displays (four screens total including laptop display) hooked up to my 16” MBP and fans definitely are no where near full speed, unless I’m compiling or in a Google Hangout that is...

Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on but I'm not the only one it seems.

Here's a 173 page thread on MacRumors about it: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/16-is-hot-noisy-with-an...

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Post by rhencke »

nathanvanfleet wrote: post #339
whalesalad wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M1 is just the tip of the iceberg. It’s an MVP desktop arm chip. M2, M3... that is when I think we will see stellar performance against things like Ryzen.

I dunno. I find it hard to believe that their next chips will be more powerful. You must have an inside with Apple to know this

I'm as skeptical as the next person, but.. Apple's track record on delivering solid performance improvement year after year in their chips has been solid for quite a while now.. [1]

It'd be more surprising at this point if it _wasn't_ more powerful.

[1] https://browser.geekbench.com/ios-benchmarks

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Post by brundolf »

zanethomas wrote: post #337

Go ahead, buy into that and before long Apple will lock the OS down so tight you will only be able to install software from the app store. Apple, it's been good knowing you, time to move on.

What about this new hardware has anything to do with the App Store?

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Post by r00fus »

nathanvanfleet wrote: post #339
whalesalad wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M1 is just the tip of the iceberg. It’s an MVP desktop arm chip. M2, M3... that is when I think we will see stellar performance against things like Ryzen.

I dunno. I find it hard to believe that their next chips will be more powerful. You must have an inside with Apple to know this

The snark is strong with this one.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by brundolf »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #163
fouc wrote: post #161

> Update: There's also a benchmark for the 13-inch MacBook Pro with M1 chip and 16GB RAM that has a single-core score of 1714 and a multi-core score of 6802. It doesn't make much sense for the Macbook Pro to have a lower score than the Macbook Air.

I noticed that too. But it’s one score for the Pro versus four for the Air. Assuming it is sampling error?

It's also possible that the fan comes into play more with a sustained load. I believe their clocks are the same, but I'm sure the Air has to start throttling at a certain point once it gets hot.

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Post by the_lucifer »

torbital wrote: post #357
faitswulff wrote: post #255

This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspective, as well.

But now they are locking down their software hard. So there is really no free lunch.

Someone here posted when the M1 powered Macs launched that they're essentially ASICs now and that made me do a double take. Since you cannot change the operating systems anymore, aren't these essentially ASICs?

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Post by olnluis »

valuearb wrote: post #340
jeswin wrote: post #272

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> And it's doing this while using more than an order of magnitude less power (10W vs. a TDP of 125W for that Intel part). That's the wrong conclusion to make. For instance, the Lenovo ThinkBook 14s (with a Ryzen 4800u) with a 15W TDP posts the same Geekbench multicore scores [1] as the M1 Macbook. But the ThinkBook isn't in any way faster than the top-end iMac for real world compute intensive tasks. The M1 certainly…

A Ryzen 4800u actually uses up to 25W TDP, depending upon implementation. And it’s 45% slower in single core. Most importantly, the M1 is estimated to cost Apple $65, the 4800u is a $300+ part.

Unlikely OEM's are paying 300+ for a 4800u. Certainly more than $65, though.

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Post by jariel »

faitswulff wrote: post #255

This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspective, as well.

This is salient, and almost upsetting frankly as I (and others?) have been looking for a 'way off' the platform after years of grievance. This is might just be good enough to keep their core platform value in place. It's a shrewd move in their part, it's been a while since we've seen this level of core innovation on their non-iOS offers.
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