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Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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This seems like a fallacy. VC subsidies benefit consumers until they run out of money or raise prices. As long as the market remains free, there will be new entrants. The problem is regulation that keeps competitors out. In some cases Big Co. lobbies for this regulation, but often it is government that kills competition by attempting to tax said Big Co., or adds expensive compliance.

We want to build a new car. A fancy electric car. We raise money from investors, build plant, hire engineers, designers and workers, establish a supply chain and a distribution chain. How should we fairly price the product? A. $0 for the next 10 years. We've got really rich investors. B. $X0,000, in line with the fair market price for a new vehicle. The role of capital money is to cover capital expenses (duh), especi…

I can see an argument for this for Tesla, because of the capital costs. I can see an argument for this for Uber, because of the network effects. But I cannot see an argument for this for Google Photos, because the network effects are not that strong, and the capital costs are directly proportional to how many users you have. (You don't need to scale our your datacenter/cloud until you actually have users to justify doing so.)

So while I agree this can be an issue in general, I'm not seeing the argument for it here. I think it would actually be relatively easy for a competitor to get started in this space.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Time to dust off my side project, Timeliner [1] which downloads your Google Photos (and other content from various services) and indexes them in a local SQLite DB. Then after backing them up locally, I won't feel bad about deleting them from the cloud later to free up space. I've been using Timeliner for a while but need to update it. New maintainers welcomed, if you're interested! (One major "oof" is that the Google…

Why not just pay $30/yr to get access to all the features which Google Photos (and other Google services) offer? I know $30 is not the same everywhere but if you are in US (and assuming you are in tech given you are on HN), you'd spend that much in a dinner without thinking much. There is something about paying about online services which brings a lot of resistance in us (me included but I think I am getting over it)

What you say makes sense but these services quickly add up.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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> The honest approach would be to either grandfather existing customers at the promised price point ($0)… This is exactly what they're doing. According to the announcement, photos uploaded in "high quality" (the previous free/unmetered tier) before June 1, 2021 will remain exempt from the storage quota. Only new photos uploaded after June 1, 2021 count against the quota. So not only are all the existing photos and vi…

We are going to lawyer this, aren't we? The service was promised for free, not per photo storage. The expectation is that the service will continue to be free. From what you're saying, (most of) the future use of the service, which consists of uploading and storing new photos, will be charged. Velvet gloves dumping.

So if someone gives you a free beer for a the foreseeable future they also owe you free beer for life?

What kind of entitlement is this?!

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Because it's anti-competitive dumping. The dirty secret of SV is that it's an enormous dumping scheme: burn billions of dollars of money to offer 'free' or goods and services, gain a dominant position in the market by driving the honestly priced competition into the ground, then jack up the prices and fleece the customers. Uber is the poster boy of this strategy, but it's not the only one. The honest approach would b…

> The honest approach would be to either grandfather existing customers at the promised price point ($0)… This is exactly what they're doing. According to the announcement, photos uploaded in "high quality" (the previous free/unmetered tier) before June 1, 2021 will remain exempt from the storage quota. Only new photos uploaded after June 1, 2021 count against the quota. So not only are all the existing photos and vi…

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Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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My 20 year old self would have agreed with you. But you'll have to trust me when I say that as you get older, your perception of time changes drastically. > What is a definition of “thing that needs attending to” that can sustain a 5-10 year delay? Unopened mail, things I need to organize in case of a tax audit, broken things I was going to fix, things that simply need to be put away, things I can't decide whether to…

I feel like there’s interesting personal opinion in your comments in this thread, but it’s losing potency because you’re surrounding it in this aura of being older and wiser than anyone else in the thread. Things like “But you'll have to trust me when I say that as you get older, your perception of time changes drastically” just sound condescending.

> “But you'll have to trust me when I say that as you get older, your perception of time changes drastically”

Perhaps, but it IS exactly the sort of thing a lot of older people say.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Seems like hard drives aren't getting cheaper by that much of a margin nowadays [0] Combine this with growing usage, this might make their projected costs much higher than expected [0] https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-cost-per-gigabyte/

Technology finds a way...

Technology has limits

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Sad as I am to see "unlimited" go away, this is probably the best way to do it: * Grandfathering existing photos means I don't have to worry about going back and deleting objects or getting an sudden bump in cost. * 15 GB is pretty generous... iCloud includes 5GB for free. * $2/month isn't a huge jump to the next level of storage.

Heads up on the term 'grandfathering' and the racial overtones of what this means: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/10/21/239081586...

And people like to listen to NPR because they claim it’s “unbiased”.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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> SQLite is an ubiquitous and well-tested piece of software that is going to stand the test of time and survive the next twenty years. My timeline is much longer than 20 years. I have family photos going back to the Civil War. Besides, Wordstar and Wordperfect files used to be ubiquitous. Good luck with those today. I switched my mail from Outlook to Thunderbird because the former stores the email in some undocumente…

> Besides, Wordstar and Wordperfect files used to be ubiquitous. Good luck with those today. Here's a Hacker News story from 10 days ago about an update to Wordperfect: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24959090 I haven't tried it myself.

I saw that story, which is why I remembered Wordperfect. Good luck having a DOS emulator that works with WP 40 years from now :-)

Now what happens if it was a slightly less popular word processor, like PC-Write? (PC-Write rose to fame by being the first shareware program.)

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Surprised to see the level of anger here about this. This is not the usual "Google kills product", it's the type of thing that HN loves to say they would be happy to pay for ("Just give me something that does A B C and doesn't show me ads and I would be happy to pay for it!!!", well I guess until you are actually asked to pay for it). Also, as a general rule, people should welcome big cos moving away from the "free s…

Because it's anti-competitive dumping. The dirty secret of SV is that it's an enormous dumping scheme: burn billions of dollars of money to offer 'free' or goods and services, gain a dominant position in the market by driving the honestly priced competition into the ground, then jack up the prices and fleece the customers. Uber is the poster boy of this strategy, but it's not the only one. The honest approach would b…

I really hate that low value, reddit-style political comments like this are becoming more common on HN nowadays.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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> SQLite is an ubiquitous and well-tested piece of software that is going to stand the test of time and survive the next twenty years. My timeline is much longer than 20 years. I have family photos going back to the Civil War. Besides, Wordstar and Wordperfect files used to be ubiquitous. Good luck with those today. I switched my mail from Outlook to Thunderbird because the former stores the email in some undocumente…

I hope you at least have at least 1 on site and one off site and 1 physical media backup of all those if you want to keep them for the next few generations...

Having all your backups in the same spot is as dumb as relying on the cloud.
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