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Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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"... more than 4 trillion photos are stored in Google Photos, and every week 28 billion new photos and videos are uploaded"

So for 1 Megabyte photos, they have on the order of 4,000 petabytes in storage now, and are adding 28 petabytes per week. So at Backblaze B2 prices, that would be $20m / month in storage and a mere $140k / month growth. (And Google's internal cost of storage is definitely less than Backblaze B2... the discounts they offer to public Google Cloud customers per petabyte are pretty big).

In comparison, Facebook is getting hit with more than 10PB of photos per month. YouTube surely dwarfs all of that. (Google Photos may be harder to monetize, but traffic is also way way lower).

Surely Google is being exceptionally stingy with this move to charging for Google Photos. Google Cloud itself has many many contracts that are north of $20m per month. This move is likely less of "the gains to ad targeting from private photos fell short even during the pandemic ad surge" and more of "the YouTube price hike went swimmingly, how can we gouge more for services now that the pandemic has shown people will pay?" Also probably with a sprinkle of "we're starting to have high employee turnover, how can we make sure the product doesn't become a zombie risk in 5 years?"

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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SQLite is an ubiquitous and well-tested piece of software that is going to stand the test of time and survive the next twenty years. There are very few pieces of software that I am able to praise like that with a clean conscience; SQLite is definitely one of them though. You might find it worthwhile to read e.g. about its memory allocation strategy, or its testing strategy. Also, I don't think that the image files th…

> SQLite is an ubiquitous and well-tested piece of software that is going to stand the test of time and survive the next twenty years. My timeline is much longer than 20 years. I have family photos going back to the Civil War. Besides, Wordstar and Wordperfect files used to be ubiquitous. Good luck with those today. I switched my mail from Outlook to Thunderbird because the former stores the email in some undocumente…

I hope you at least have at least 1 on site and one off site and 1 physical media backup of all those if you want to keep them for the next few generations...

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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> SQLite is an ubiquitous and well-tested piece of software that is going to stand the test of time and survive the next twenty years. My timeline is much longer than 20 years. I have family photos going back to the Civil War. Besides, Wordstar and Wordperfect files used to be ubiquitous. Good luck with those today. I switched my mail from Outlook to Thunderbird because the former stores the email in some undocumente…

Wordperfect files can be opened in MSFT Word ;)

For how much longer? And how much resources do you imagine will be spend to fix bugs/issues opening these files? I don't think this example is strong enough to deserve a mocking wink

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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SQLite is an ubiquitous and well-tested piece of software that is going to stand the test of time and survive the next twenty years. There are very few pieces of software that I am able to praise like that with a clean conscience; SQLite is definitely one of them though. You might find it worthwhile to read e.g. about its memory allocation strategy, or its testing strategy. Also, I don't think that the image files th…

> SQLite is an ubiquitous and well-tested piece of software that is going to stand the test of time and survive the next twenty years. My timeline is much longer than 20 years. I have family photos going back to the Civil War. Besides, Wordstar and Wordperfect files used to be ubiquitous. Good luck with those today. I switched my mail from Outlook to Thunderbird because the former stores the email in some undocumente…

> Besides, Wordstar and Wordperfect files used to be ubiquitous. Good luck with those today.

Here's a Hacker News story from 10 days ago about an update to Wordperfect: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24959090

I haven't tried it myself.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Time to dust off my side project, Timeliner [1] which downloads your Google Photos (and other content from various services) and indexes them in a local SQLite DB. Then after backing them up locally, I won't feel bad about deleting them from the cloud later to free up space. I've been using Timeliner for a while but need to update it. New maintainers welcomed, if you're interested! (One major "oof" is that the Google…

It's so annoying that Google strips the geolocation data. What would be the reason for this? It has been frustrating following along with the ticket that goes nowhere for years: https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/80379228

Privacy?

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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> likely just their indices and metadata notes.txt will work just fine, then, even for several thousand photos. I don't see a need for a database until you've got far more than that. The tree file system works tolerably well as a "database". As for searching, I know how to use "grep" and "locate".

Tags are more flexible than folders. An actual index let's you search by tag. Folders don't let you search for all photos of your mother, or in 1987, or in Alabama, or some combination thereof. Folders are a limiting api and we shouldn't limit ourselves to strictly hierarchical organizational structures for non hierarchal data.

I know, but folders work perfectly fine even up to a few thousand files. It doesn't take me long to find a vacation picture from 1966, for example. I look in the 1966 folder, which doesn't have a lot in it. The preview thumbnails from file explorer quickly let me hone in.

It'd take me far more time to set up a proper tag database than I'd save looking things up.

It's still infinitely better than a random shoebox with random snapshots in it.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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> Google Photos will start charging for storage once more than 15 gigs on the account have been used. 15 gigs of photos is nothing. > Google is also introducing a new policy of deleting data from inactive accounts that haven’t been logged in to for at least two years. Gak. Randomly deleting your photos. No way I'm relying on cloud storage. I'm a very long term investor. I received a letter a few months ago from a mut…

These days, 15GB of photos is pretty close to nothing. If I go on a trip for a week to take pictures, I can easily shoot 50-100GB of images. (Using my full-frame DSLR, shooting in raw, average image size is over 50MB, meaning < 20 images per GB).

You should use compression to not use so much space.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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"Running out" == "Doesn't want to give away for free" I don't see any limits on Google Cloud Storage any time soon. > Google Drive to delete trash after 30 days. To be fair I would consider this a feature. This is how I expect trash to work. Someone takes it away on occasion. > Google Docs to be counted as storage space Oh, I missed this. I wonder how they are counting it? After all as a user you don't really have an…

> "Running out" == "Doesn't want to give away for free" All these limits were placed within the last few months. It's definitely a company wide policy to reduce load from free users > I don't see any limits on Google Cloud Storage any time soon. It's paid. > Google Drive to delete trash after 30 days. It used to be unlimited. Now it isn't. Which is what people expected. > Oh, I missed this. I wonder how they are coun…

Who throws things in a trash expecing to keep them forever?

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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post #378

> Google Photos will start charging for storage once more than 15 gigs on the account have been used. 15 gigs of photos is nothing. > Google is also introducing a new policy of deleting data from inactive accounts that haven’t been logged in to for at least two years. Gak. Randomly deleting your photos. No way I'm relying on cloud storage. I'm a very long term investor. I received a letter a few months ago from a mut…

I can’t tell if this is just hyperbole, but if an account is inactive and unpaid for 2 years, I don’t see why they’d be expected to just sit on that data forever. I can’t imagine being 5-10 years behind on things that “need attending to”. What is a definition of “thing that needs attending to” that can sustain a 5-10 year delay?

> What is a definition of “thing that needs attending to” that can sustain a 5-10 year delay?

Photos. People traditionally want to keep photos so that they can occasionally go back to them and reminisce about old times.

The photo albums that my grandparents lovingly kept weren't out every day, and not even every year.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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post #226

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I think offering something for free and unlimited for 10 years and suddenly charging for it seems like bait and switch. If you have an existing free unlimited plan they should grandfather that in. In a year they will start charging for gmail. In two or three they will start charging for search.

What is the bait and switch ? The stuff you uploaded already is still free. It's for more usage. You don't like it, you have the option to take your photos somewhere else.

People don’t join a service like this intending it to be a static archive. They were told that this was an easy way to automatically save space on your phone and protect your photos in case something happens to your phone, started building a social network with their friends and family, etc.

Now the choice is to pay or walk away.

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