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Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by krono »

dvt wrote: post #43
krono wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Notion staff technically has unrestricted access to all user and account data legally prevents me from putting the vast majority of my work-related items on there. On top of that there's so much tracking going on that even Facebook would be jealous. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Check out their T&C and Privacy Policy: https://www.notion.so/Terms-Conditions-4e1c5dd3e3de45dfa4a8e... https://www.…

Not sure how this is different from something like Dropbox (which stores stuff on S3 iirc). So technically, you can have Dropbox people looking through your stuff, and you can also have Amazon people looking through your stuff. Obviously, if this ever happens without a good reason, employees that do this can get fired and/or sued (and the company itself might also be held liable). Everything is also logged, so there'…

A gentleman's agreement with some foreign entity just isn't good enough.

At least on Dropbox, S3, OneDrive, etc. we can encrypt our own data (which I actually do). There is no such option in Notion.

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Post by eropple »

Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

First time I've seen Joplin--can it handle multiple users partying on the same pages at the same time?

EDIT: apparently not, according to [ https://joplinapp.org/conflict/ ] -- that's a bummer, it rules it out for my use cases :/ I really don't think a filesystem-based sync mechanism works great for a collaborative tool, which is much of the value of Notion to me. It seems really cool for single-user, never-shared stuff, though.

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Post by jeromenerf »

Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

Notion is indeed slow. Slack is slow. Google drive is slow. Trello is slow. Some local/native alternatives can be snappier.

Speed and snappiness don’t always come together, but when they do, there is no going back to something even a little slower or less reactive.

That’s why I don’t test nor try new hardware until I actually need more than what I have. It’s too strong to resist ;)

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Post by pwython »

Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

I had no doubt the top few comments would be critical of the post as usual... but Joplin? I can't wrap my head around this one. I've used Joplin for years and I can't figure out how it would replace Notion.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by SahAssar »

krono wrote: post #51
dvt wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how this is different from something like Dropbox (which stores stuff on S3 iirc). So technically, you can have Dropbox people looking through your stuff, and you can also have Amazon people looking through your stuff. Obviously, if this ever happens without a good reason, employees that do this can get fired and/or sued (and the company itself might also be held liable). Everything is also logged, so there'…

A gentleman's agreement with some foreign entity just isn't good enough. At least on Dropbox, S3, OneDrive, etc. we can encrypt our own data (which I actually do). There is no such option in Notion.

All of those are blob/file based, when the service provider needs to offer services like search and ways to make deeper inferences between pieces of data it's pretty much impossible to have all the encryption handled client-side.

I'd be interested to see examples/arguments where it works though.

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Post by mrlala »

Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

Have you ever tried using that Wiki inside of Microsoft teams? If you want to talk about slow.. dear lord, it's like every action I do is manually being forwarded to a country with cheap labor to approve my action before it's approved in the dtabase.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by misttar »

dvt wrote: post #43
krono wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Notion staff technically has unrestricted access to all user and account data legally prevents me from putting the vast majority of my work-related items on there. On top of that there's so much tracking going on that even Facebook would be jealous. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Check out their T&C and Privacy Policy: https://www.notion.so/Terms-Conditions-4e1c5dd3e3de45dfa4a8e... https://www.…

Not sure how this is different from something like Dropbox (which stores stuff on S3 iirc). So technically, you can have Dropbox people looking through your stuff, and you can also have Amazon people looking through your stuff. Obviously, if this ever happens without a good reason, employees that do this can get fired and/or sued (and the company itself might also be held liable). Everything is also logged, so there'…

Not sure about DropBox, but AWS has alot of protections around what goes into S3. I have worked with them to address issues that come up in the service, and they couldn't access our data, even when we would have been fine with it. Had to copy it somewhere else for them.

All they could access was a service logs.

See https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/data-privacy-faq/

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by krono »

icu wrote: post #49
krono wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR Compliance is nice and all, but as long as their staff has the ability to access my data, I just can't legally host most of my business data on that platform. Other than that and the terrible performance I love Notion and I really hope they get this sorted. I'll even keep paying for my personal account (drop in the bucket, I know) in the hopes that they will.

For me GDPR was a make or break. I know I'm putting faith in Notion staff to follow GDPR guidelines because if they accessed my information without an extremely good reason it would be a breach. The only other option would be for me to create my own solution, and while I could do that, I don't have the time or the desire to do it. I think you got to be careful and read the TOS and know what you're in for. For example…

For private individual usage this should be enough.

In the case of business data governance, though, the legal requirements for storage, security, and privacy go far beyond GDPR. The difficulty there is that even small things such as contact info, appointment locations and dates, timelines, etc. are covered by those contracts.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by aidos »

krono wrote: post #38
aidos wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mentioned https://www.getoutline.com/ below that I haven’t tried but looks great. Would be interested in hearing from anyone who’s tried it.

Nice try, Outline marketing team ;)

Haha. I’m definitely sounding a bit that way. Though, it’s opensource, so nobody needs to be sold on it.

We’re too deep in Notion internally to jump to something else now, but if was going to try anything else, given the Linear.app team’s track record, this would definitely be my first evaluation.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by hackerbob »

baron816 wrote: post #17
lordleft wrote: post #5

Notion is a great tool and I recommend it as a solid "all-around" personal-wiki / notetaking tool. That being said, the fact that it's electron-based means it's not always as snappy as I'd like it to be when I want to quickly capture a thought -- sometimes the "page" has to reload, even when I'm using the desktop app. I also notice that like slack, it suffers from the same in-line text formatting woes, which can be i…

Always a complaint about Electron on here. Frankly, Notion and it’s ilk would not be nearly has great or feature rich without Electron. It perhaps wouldn’t even exist. Trust, it being an Electron app is a good thing for you, despite its limitations.

Discord is also an Electron app and I see few complaints. Sometimes it just the case that some apps give the rest a bad name.
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