Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Introducing the next generation of Mac

apple.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

961–970 of 1001 posts

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#961

Post by RonanTheGrey »

saagarjha wrote: post #814
RonanTheGrey wrote: post #765

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"How do we get these companies to stop behaving like this?" "Vote with your wallet!" "Not like that!!"

Buying and returning is just a petty, wasteful thing to do.

Dude they'll just sell them to someone else. It doesn't change anything, the material and resource cost has already been paid. Stop making this about something it absolutely is not.

Companies DO care when people return something, because that is pure signal. "I got it because I thought I would like it and I don't" is a much different signal than "I have no idea what you think because I never interacted with you". That is likely one of the most effective ways to make a company sit up and take notice, the return rate of a product is a key indicator of its success.

I really don't see that there's anything to disagree with there. Loving Apple, as you may, doesn't make the above point wrong.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#962

Post by lovelyviking »

saagarjha wrote: post #958
lovelyviking wrote: post #932

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and degrating Personal Computer into machine under control of someone else, attacking rights of the person and stripping people from privacy completely is not a wasteful thing to do? I mean, it's a garbage by defintion and sure, it takes time for people to understand this, but this machine is useless by design for freedom respecting society, it's not a waste? it's a huge waste of resources I would say. Returning prod…

Dude, you’re arguing about control to the wrong person. Apple knows about this already and you returning a bunch of devices isn’t going to get them to change their policy.

I am not buying apple stuff for 5 years already, becasue I can't stand stupidity and their macbooks pro woould just cripple my abilities and mobility with those stupid dongles, unupgradable memory and idiotic touchbars.

The only reason I could bare some of their hw is becase I knew I can put Linux when I get enough of it, and now what?

I am not buying, sophisticated people are not buying and it doesn't help so in my perspective IF something is ever going to change their policy is returning products to SEND A MESSAGE. Other option is to wait untill some dumbo get it when it'll be too late, like it was when S.Jobs has to return to save them..

Or you sugest even more strong action then returning?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#963

Post by KronisLV »

nafey wrote: post #842
rusticpenn wrote: post #835

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The performance of the phones seem to be smooth compared to Android phones with similar ( or more) RAM. The difference comes from vertical optimization, so the raw numbers on RAM would not give us a full picture.

The whole Android ecosystem is mostly written in Java which could also be another reason why it needs relatively more RAM for comparable performance.

While Java GC on Android may not always be optimal in regards to memory utilization (given that there are other concerns) and AFAIK doesn't allow tuning like you can do for enterprise Java apps it seems like quite a few improvements have been made over time and many GC implementations have resulted from this: https://proandroiddev.com/collecting-the-garbage-a-brief-his...

Personally, i'd look at how common cross-platform apps are and how many of the frameworks (like Ionic and React Native) don't always use the native system UI in an efficient manner.

It seems a bit like running Electron apps on GNU/Linux and being puzzled about where all of the RAM goes.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#964

Post by vbezhenar »

saagarjha wrote: post #956
vbezhenar wrote: post #915

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so.

You can, there’s a bputil command for it I believe.

Here's WWDC talk claiming that you can't: https://youtu.be/Hg9F1Qjv3iU?t=3772

I'm talking about ARM macs, not Intel ones.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#965

Post by Tagbert »

jgimenez wrote: post #804
BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

Not only the base spec is 8GB but the largest possible upgrade is 16GB. My previous-generation Macbook Pro had the possibility of 32GB, which is what I bought because I think that's a decent minimum for a computer I want to last.

We will probably see the next round of new Macs in either March or June. I suspect that is when we will see the next version of the chipset that would support higher RAM limits and more I/O ports. We might start seeing the new hardware design language,too.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#966

Post by saagarjha »

vbezhenar wrote: post #964
saagarjha wrote: post #956

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can, there’s a bputil command for it I believe.

Here's WWDC talk claiming that you can't: https://youtu.be/Hg9F1Qjv3iU?t=3772 I'm talking about ARM macs, not Intel ones.

That’s not really what I’d call a “WWDC talk”, but sure, it mentions that Apple won’t provide Boot Camp, and that they are running their OS demos using virtualization. I didn’t see a claim that they won’t let you reduce the boot security.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#967

Post by jiofih »

qz2 wrote: post #340
snowwrestler wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hitting a wall how? The machine stops working properly? Or you see all the RAM allocated in Activity Monitor? Because MacOS aggressively allocates RAM even under a normal workload.

Well when you start getting memory pressure you start losing cycles to compressing and decompressing pages which makes everything run like complete shit.

That’s not how MacOS works. It “keeps the pressure on” so to speak to try and have as much in-memory before you need it. Have you experienced actual issues with specific software?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#968

Post by jiofih »

easton wrote: post #133
jiofih wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPad Pro has a mere 4GB of RAM and is faster at almost every task AND multitasking than any of my other beefy machines. I wouldn’t discount this yet.

But you don’t have background services on the iPad and apps are hibernated to disk if they aren’t active and iOS needs more ram. It’s possible that Apple is doing the same thing on macOS, but we don’t know (it would break a ton of apps).

They started doing exactly that way back in Snow Leopard I think - app “open” indicators were removed at the time.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#969

Post by saagarjha »

RonanTheGrey wrote: post #961
saagarjha wrote: post #814

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying and returning is just a petty, wasteful thing to do.

Dude they'll just sell them to someone else. It doesn't change anything, the material and resource cost has already been paid. Stop making this about something it absolutely is not. Companies DO care when people return something, because that is pure signal. "I got it because I thought I would like it and I don't" is a much different signal than "I have no idea what you think because I never interacted with you". Tha…

Do you think Apple is just going to take the computer you touched, turn around, and sell it to another person? No, they’re going to take the whole thing apart, replace all the consumables and user-facing parts, the sell it as refurbished. And that’s the best case: they might have to strip it for parts or trash it depending on what it was that you bought.

This has nothing to do with a love of Apple or anything, and everything to do with “you’re abusing a program that they are going to either ban you from, or remove because you abused it too much”.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#970

Post by jiofih »

sitzkrieg wrote: post #131
jiofih wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPad Pro has a mere 4GB of RAM and is faster at almost every task AND multitasking than any of my other beefy machines. I wouldn’t discount this yet.

what kind of tasks are those? my eyes rolled into outer space

Video, photo & audio editing. Browsing a million tabs. Presentations, documents, videos. Switching between apps is always instant.
Post reply on HN