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How to revert HP printer’s ban on 3rd-party ink cartridges

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Re: How to revert HP printer’s ban on 3rd-party ink cartridges

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Post by dusted »

adingus wrote: post #71
dusted wrote: post #70

Disgusting HP, I've actually liked them for their nice Linux support.. Does not matter though, I got a Ricoh MP C2500 for "picking" it up, the 4 toners ( CMYK ) cost around $320, then here's toner for the rest of my life, and I get to print and scan a4 and a3 in duplex. Really nice machine, has network support and trays for multiple paper sizes.. amazing what people throw out these days. I'd never go back, this machi…

Brother has good Linux support from my experience. The drivers installed easily on my fedora machines and printed perfectly. When I installed the printer in windows it spit out 20 sheets of gibberish. Never thought I'd see the day when a printer worked better on Linux.

The first color laser printer I bought was a brother, the drivers were all but impossible to adjust, it'd put way too much toner on (but only when printing from linux), and the printer would seize up, jam paper and just flat out refuse to work most of the time, it had a service agreement on it, and I had a technician come to our house 3 times and he never managed to solve the problem either, so while I had a lot of respect for brother, that incident made me change my mind.

Re: How to revert HP printer’s ban on 3rd-party ink cartridges

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Post by tomatocracy »

vetinari wrote: post #140
tomatocracy wrote: post #130

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Is that a more recent thing for Brother? I have one (probably c5 years old) and although there are proprietary drivers if you want them, it will happily accept PCL or even PostScript (PostScript is slower though) over IPP and it has a basic interface on its http port (toner levels, page counts, etc). It wasn't the lowest-end model but it wasn't super-expensive either. I think the next model down was the same but woul…

I was checking Brother MFC-L2712DW and found this: https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=eu_ot&la... Can anyone confirm, that this is not necessary and it works OOB with software shipped with distributions? (I need it to work with Ubuntu 20.04 and future LTS releases, preferably without anything that would bite me two years down the line).

I don't have this model but it's likely to work fine for printing - the specs say it accepts PCL and there are decent profiles shipped now with the normal Linux distros for Brother printers. You might need to select a different model which is "close" to get optimal output and/or experiment a bit.

Scanning is more difficult to tell but it may well work using SANE's AirScan driver, called eSCL as it looks like this model supports AirScan/AirPrint scanning. This shouldn't need the proprietary drivers as I understand it. The next models up (MFC-273x and higher) look like they support scanning and saving directly to an FTP server or CIFS/SMB share on your network which wouldn't need a driver so that might be a more surefire option.

Re: How to revert HP printer’s ban on 3rd-party ink cartridges

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Post by vetinari »

tomatocracy wrote: post #252
vetinari wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was checking Brother MFC-L2712DW and found this: https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=eu_ot&la... Can anyone confirm, that this is not necessary and it works OOB with software shipped with distributions? (I need it to work with Ubuntu 20.04 and future LTS releases, preferably without anything that would bite me two years down the line).

I don't have this model but it's likely to work fine for printing - the specs say it accepts PCL and there are decent profiles shipped now with the normal Linux distros for Brother printers. You might need to select a different model which is "close" to get optimal output and/or experiment a bit. Scanning is more difficult to tell but it may well work using SANE's AirScan driver, called eSCL as it looks like this mod…

Thanks.

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Post by carapace »

capableweb wrote: post #248
carapace wrote: post #144

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Just throw it out already, sheesh.

And now there is plastic in our oceans and deep underground. Strange how that happened really.

I feel you, but that's an orthogonal problem (although with the same root cause: greed. "Love of money is the root of all evil.", eh?)

In some places (Germany IIRC) manufacturers have to take back and dispose of e.g. refrigerators and other appliances. No reason that kind of full-lifecycle management shouldn't also be applied to printers, eh?

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Post by Havoc »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #60
Havoc wrote: post #53

Home printers are dead anyway. The one thing I did still need them for (printing labels for packages) is being taken over by QR codes

Here that's one of the few things I still use mine for, printing QR labels for my outgoing parcels :P UPS, DHL and others still require us to print our own labels here. And QR codes are hard to write by hand ;)

>UPS, DHL and others

That's rather odd. Haven't tried many but Hermes and RoyalMail were both cellphone screen QRs

I would have imagined bigger companies like UPS would be a step ahead

Re: How to revert HP printer’s ban on 3rd-party ink cartridges

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Post by GekkePrutser »

Havoc wrote: post #255
GekkePrutser wrote: post #60

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Here that's one of the few things I still use mine for, printing QR labels for my outgoing parcels :P UPS, DHL and others still require us to print our own labels here. And QR codes are hard to write by hand ;)

>UPS, DHL and others That's rather odd. Haven't tried many but Hermes and RoyalMail were both cellphone screen QRs I would have imagined bigger companies like UPS would be a step ahead

Maybe it's a Spain thing. But when I schedule parcels for pick up, I have to print the label myself. They don't bring one with them, so they would have no way to identify the parcel.

If I bring it to the post office I can preregister and show a code and they will put a label on, but I never do that anymore due to the covid measures. There's a massive queue outside now.

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Post by ruined »

morpheuskafka wrote: post #172
lukevp wrote: post #104

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The yellow ink is used to print a faint serial number on every page, meant to track back to you if you use the printer to counterfeit money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

> meant to track back to you if you use the printer to counterfeit money... Lol, because a $100 printer from Amazon can just pop out sheets of cash, even though they don't have any color shifting ink, no way to do the lithograph printing. I think these were developed before authorities realized how much power online (dis)information would have--it was all about trying to lock down speech and publication freedom, turn…

it's also used to prove exfiltration of documents and catch leakers. reality winner was captured this way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner

Re: How to revert HP printer’s ban on 3rd-party ink cartridges

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Post by morpheuskafka »

ruined wrote: post #258
morpheuskafka wrote: post #172

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> meant to track back to you if you use the printer to counterfeit money... Lol, because a $100 printer from Amazon can just pop out sheets of cash, even though they don't have any color shifting ink, no way to do the lithograph printing. I think these were developed before authorities realized how much power online (dis)information would have--it was all about trying to lock down speech and publication freedom, turn…

it's also used to prove exfiltration of documents and catch leakers. reality winner was captured this way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner

I was going to mention that although I didn't remember if it was conclusively proven to be that. I think the bigger issue is that she printed it on an agency printer so they were easily able to get the list of everyone who had printed it (not many) and work from there.

Certainly, the NSA could put firmware on its own printers (as could any organization that needed it) so that is no justification for putting it in all printers with no notice to the user.

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