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One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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Re: One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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You’ve got data to back that up?

https://www.essence.com/news/politics/55-percent-white-women...

The votes haven't even been fully counted (NY has barely started with their mail-ins), so the exits aren't weighted yet. There are, so far as I know, no valid takes to be made from current exit data.

Re: One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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This is based on exit polls. Exit polls only interview people who vote in person, which may be generally be useful, but in this election are an enormously systematically biased slice of the electorate. You really can't base any generalizations beyond the in-person voting segment based on them.

> This is based on exit polls. Are there some other measurements based on something else, or is it something we now can never know as a result of mail in ballots having no polling and an expected different statistical distribution?

Exits aren't great in the best circumstances, but early unweighted exits are widely believed to be almost completely useless.

Re: One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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post #104

Who replies honestly to political question to random strangers? I know I don't. What's the benefit of letting anyone know where you stand politically at this point? None. It's much more likely - no matter which side you're for - that the person asking could have an adverse reaction. Things are just way too polarized now, not sure how that can change, but that's how it is. I mean outside friends/family I simply take a…

Fencing like this may be an extraordinary feat.

I for one want to engage at a level where the cost/benefit at most allows an 'opponent' to reevaluate their stance. At least, I can understand a thread of reasoning that is alien to me.

I understand engaging in a radius of reason. I implore you to build relationships that necessitate constructive debate.

Re: One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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Where does the "elite" factor in? As a rough approximation, almost everyone in your social circles having a college degree.

Except that’s really not what the statistics show. Republicans gain a majority of support from high school graduates, individuals with some college experience, and college graduates. People without a high school degree or with a post graduate degree favor Democrats. An individual’s likelihood of being a Democrat decreases with every additional dollar he or she earns. Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with…

This is inaccurate based on latest elections. There isn't full data for 2020 but in 2016 college educated voted Dem +9.

"In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980."

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trum...

Re: One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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Does anyone else reject the premise of the article? I understand that polling definitely missed big in some areas, but isn't that normal? Polling is really hard. You have to make a lot of assumptions, adjust for demographics, predict whether a voter will turn out, while using a sample of usually ~1000 people. Of course some polls are going to be wrong. I don't think the polling was generally wrong though. Polling averages had Biden +8 or so, when all votes are counted he'll likely be +5, which is within margin of error. Polls were extremely accurate in Georgia, where conventional wisdom would say Biden shouldn't win.

I get that most of the polling error benefited Trump, and the industry needs to reflect on why that happened and how to prevent underestimating republicans again in the future, but I don't yet buy the narratives that "the polls got it wrong."

Re: One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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Maybe it doesn't really matter much. I mean, sure, we need some amount of polling because it informs decisions such as who gets to participate in televised debates, etc. But other than that, what does the general public get out of polling? It's a spectator sport. In the end, all that matters is the votes, and people should really be encouraged to remember this. I'd think 2016 and 2020 would be a healthy reminder of t…

It's not just for politics. For example, it's used frequently in public health. There have been a ton of polls about mask wearing, whether someone would take a vaccine etc. that help guide public health policy makers and give them a semblance of an idea of where the public is at versus just guessing.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/10/poll-incr...

https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/10/19/covid19-corona...

Re: One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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Also rural areas see much less of the impact that government has. They see less infrastructure, they see less of the masses of students that have to be educated, etc. They tend to be pro-small government because they don't have a daily view of the impact government has on daily life. I don't view that as gullible, I view that as a perspective that is incomplete due to geographical circumstances. And I am sure that's…

To be clear, rural areas receive more federal support, but it’s farm subsidies, not visible infrastructure.

Nonsense. Consider where government jobs are--and the massive economic effects of those jobs: there are substantially more federal government jobs (on a per capita basis) in the cities than the rural areas.

Re: One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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The thing that not enough people bring up is the rampant robocalling. Before I left the US around a year and a half ago, I was getting 2-3 calls a day. Basically, if I ever got a call from a number not in my contact list, I would never answer. I know I'm not the only one like this, but I don't have any numbers to back it up. Even in Germany where robocalling seemingly doesn't exist, I still have this reflex, so it ma…

When I lived in the U.S., the do-not-call register worked pretty well. It wasn't perfect, but it dropped the unsolicited calls from several per day to a couple of times per month.

Unfortunately, it's basically stopped working completely. Legit companies respect it, but there are a lot of overseas scammers continuing to call because there's very little that can be done to them. So now it's all robocalls and "windows technical support" and crap like that. I get 3-5 per day on both my cell phone and land line each.

Re: One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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post #392

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Anecdotal, but every single person I've spoken to who voted for Trump does believe one or more of these conspiracy theories.

What's your sample size?

About 27 people in 5 different states.

Re: One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong

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post #208

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Do you think the bulk of voters for Trump believe one of these things? He won a considerable number of votes.

I think a large proportion of Trump voters believe parts of QAnon-pushed conspiracy theories - especially that he is "taking on a Deep State conspiracy", and data indicates some support for that[1][2]. Surely they don't believe the "blood drinking paedophile" part though? It seems outrageous, and yet I know a bunch of people on HN believed PizzaGate back in 2016, so maybe I'm underestimating it. [1] https://www.usato…

I voted for Trump and I hadn't heard of QAnon until maybe a month ago when I started to see it in the news.
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