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Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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I've heard (from reliable sources) that Google has the option to work 60% or 80% time (with a corresponding cut to pay). Presumably you need a record of solid performance and your manager needs to be on board.

It's very hard to get, even for solid performers. Possible but not available to most employees.

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Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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Divorce. You have one life. I know you have a kid, but they'll grow up to resent you if you stay the course because they don't understand the weight you carry on your shoulders and your wife will have more energy for them. Divorce will actually be better for your kid. You'll still be able to see them and shape them. Over time, they may favor spending time with you.

Nah, I'll stick it out. Family court would f me over more than this.

Family court will be worse the longer you wait.

Stick it out might mean there’s never an end in sight.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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Myself and most of my millennial peers feel this way exactly. Some are still hopeful that they'll own a home & raise a large family like their parents and grandparents did, but the rest of us aren't so sure.

I have a house and one kid. My wife wants another kid and complains that out house is too small (it's 1800 sqft). I hate my job but have no other options to support us. I honestly wonder how I did not listen to all the advice of other people about not getting married. Even at this same job I was much happier years ago. Part of that was because I hadn't been disillusioned yet, but I think part of it was also that I ha…

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Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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I just want a no-pay sabbatical. Three months, total reset of energy levels. We should all have that option. I would take a lot less money (-$50k or more) if I got to take a quarter off every year. Four day work weeks would be another compelling alternative. Two days a week are not enough time to get chores done. There's no time for relaxing. If I ever create a company, I'd love to offer these options.

Plenty of big companies allow you to do this. I know several people who have taken 1-3 month long unpaid vacation while at FAANG companies. Sure, it takes some planning. You can't just do it tomorrow. But it seemed pretty easy for them.

I think the novel concept here is taking a three month unpaid vacation every year, which I doubt is common or easy in any tech company.

Personally, I would sooner go for a four-day work week, which would probably be an easier sell to most companies. Similarly, I would be fine with a pretty sizable pay cut for the benefit.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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I just want a no-pay sabbatical. Three months, total reset of energy levels. We should all have that option. I would take a lot less money (-$50k or more) if I got to take a quarter off every year. Four day work weeks would be another compelling alternative. Two days a week are not enough time to get chores done. There's no time for relaxing. If I ever create a company, I'd love to offer these options.

One of my favorite benefits was the ability to take a 3 month paid pseudo-sabbatical.

You had to spend the time doing some sort of work, but it's flexible. It could helping another team out (intern style), focusing on a useful side project, taking a trial run at a new role (or just walking a mile in someone else's shoes), or volunteering with a non-profit ("technology pro bono").

You needed 5 years of tenure to qualify (it's not an annual thing). I think the bar is a little too high, but I understand the intent – looking forward to it was definitely a source of motivation and factor in retention during my fourth year.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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Its like being a cat trapped in the washing machine on spin cycle. The only hope for escape is a power failure and mercy of someone who is aware you are inside. Stuck in a job completely burned out, there is nothing worse than the realization of the futility in any struggle to either escape or improve. The knowledge that your output has dropped, the feeling that it's your fault combined with nobody interested in help…

Ah. So that's what's going on right now.

I feel like the cycle is almost finished and I'm about to be hung out to dry.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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if burn out: add more fuel Oxygen + solid matter. What is oxygen? Rejuvinating: maybe vacation, maybe relax more in the work day. What is solid? The "why", though I don't think I quite got the phrasing. Seems too easy just to have direction and motivation- although, what else could it be? In not too old medical books, they often referred to a man's "fire" as part of his overall well being. His hearth and happiness, et cetera. In some sense his gall; or gaul: how he carries fire... or his gall bladder?

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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This happened to me, slowly. I didnt realise it at the time, or as it was happening. I have ADHD, and can be amazing at work. But over time corporate offices destroyed me. I sought help for depression, and my ADHD. But no one suggested burnout. I had to have a fully nervous breakdown and six months off work to even work out what was going on. It's taken a full two years of recovery, and now I guard my mental health l…

As a fellow ADHDer I feel like it makes me a lot better at what I do because I do it all the time because I just can't switch off. By the same token it constantly makes me run myself into the ground. It's especially bad if there are deadlines that mean not only can I not compartmentalize work and switch off, I feel the feelings a lot more too, but can never be sure if the random desire to rage quit due to $todays_small_yet_significant_grievance is signal or just noise from the emotional dysregulation.

Currently getting properly burnt out for real right now and debating whether to stay and try get things back to normal after this project or just leave early next year with this job having been nothing more than a shitstain on my career.

I'm so torn.

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