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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by rblatz »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #717
melling wrote: post #689

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I bought a 16GB MacBook Pro in 2013. It’s still going strong. Today I wouldn’t buy less than 32GB. Performance is always better and the machine will last much longer

> and the machine will last much longer. At the moment, that's debatable, since the only 32GB Macs you can buy are Intel ones...

I have a Mac mini that still had upgradable ram, and was able to be kidded to add a second hard drive. I put 32 gigs of ran and an 1 tb ssd into it. I’ve had it for roughly 7 years. Any current Mac mini is a downgrade except in processor speed.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by kalleboo »

rutledge87 wrote: post #603
na85 wrote: post #591

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>Oh Apple, why are you doing this, taking freedom from your customers Because they can. Most other laptop manufacturers are producing garbage. Vaunted brands like Thinkpad and Dell are even failing to keep pace. My wife's 2019 Dell XPS 13 is awful to use. The touchpad is horrendous, and I'm not buying Lenovo after the Superfish thing.

Apple has always be proprietary and always will. Apple II and Macintosh Plus days, they sold all their own peripherals. I had a Dell XPS 13 1645 that had a great display, but everything else about it was awful. Well, in reality, you can't be a purist or you'll end up with nothing. The Lenovo T480 is solid and has two batteries.

What? The Apple II was a fantastically open machine! It even came with the circuit schematic and ROM source code right in the manual! It had lots of slots and there was a massive third-party ecosystem. It was when Jobs got to design machines with the Apple III/Lisa/Mac that things closed up.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by skavi »

slg wrote: post #625
tiffanyh wrote: post #445

I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Here[1] is an article from The Verge that goes into the full differences with confirmation from Apple. For those too lazy to click through, yes the fan is the biggest difference. Beyond that the screen in the Air is slightly darker, the base model has worse chips due to binning, the battery is smaller, and there is obviously the Touchbar. [1] - https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/10/21559228/apple-new-macbo...

IIRC, the Pro’s display also has a higher P3 gamut vs sRGB on the Air’s.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by mxcrossb »

enos_feedler wrote: post #732
Fogest wrote: post #715

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Yeah this screams classic Apple. Advertise the cost of the Mac as lower, but with a shitty option that most people will have to upgrade. Majority are not going to want to buy a 8gb laptop for that kind of money and not just bump it up to 16gb. This reminds me of how movie theatres offer a small, medium and large but the large popcorn only costs slightly more than the medium, thus enticing you to go for the large.

Yes, not just classic Apple but classic lots of things. Cars are sold the same way

I’ll add classic Lenovo to the list, whose base level thinkpad are underspeced and have terrible screens. The fact that apple doesnt perpetually claim their machines are on sale is their last bastion of superiority

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by dreamcompiler »

grishka wrote: post #288
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No Bootcamp for Apple Silicon Macs, you can't install any other Operating System on it. But you can run arm linux in a virtual machine.

So, a locked bootloader with someone else's public key as the only one trusted? Can you even call that a computer?

Apple no longer makes general-purpose computers. They only make pretty, locked-down, computerlike appliances.

The margins on general-purpose computers are simply too thin to sustain a $1T company.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by dweekly »

justin66 wrote: post #457
tiffanyh wrote: post #445

I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

Don't forget - with unified memory that means that the GPU has to pull from the same pool, so your usable RAM after display buffers is likely much less.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by ajharrison »

slumdev wrote: post #705
ajharrison wrote: post #633

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Not sure the downvoting ... Even with 16, 32gb of ram, Android phones still don’t have buttery smooth 60 FPS while iOS has never been smoother

You're getting downvoted because "hyper-optimizing" isn't going to let me run another VM or launch another instance of Xcode.

Yet. You’ll be using Xcode on your iPad soon enough.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by jkaplowitz »

wmf wrote: post #164
AnonHP wrote: post #140

Apple mentioned in the event that these Macs will have hardware verified secure boot. Since I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, can someone explain (or even try to guess) what this would/could mean for running Linux on these? I use Macs way beyond Apple’s support timeframe with OS X/macOS, and Linux is the one that runs on some of the older Macs and provides adequate security and security related software update…

Even if you could turn off secure boot, Linux doesn't have drivers for Apple Silicon. Maybe in 2030 someone will port Linux to a jailbroken M1 Mac.

Linux does support many ARM architectures already, and even supports the x86/x64 version of Secure Boot in some configurations. If Apple wants to either allow their Secure Boot to be disabled or to allow end users or Linux distros to somehow get their own keys trusted, I'm sure the port can happen in the coming $smallnum years with enough interest + resources + time. (But not $smallnum months, sadly.)

None of this, of course, is to pretend it's easy.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by beamatronic »

css wrote: post #455
tiffanyh wrote: post #445

I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Air only has passive cooling; Pro has a fan.

That's some serious doublespeak right there

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by beamatronic »

baggy_trough wrote: post #464
tiffanyh wrote: post #445

I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Not having the Touch Bar is worth at least several hundred dollars.

At least it doesn't show ads, yet.
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