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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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This is the best news I’ve heard all day, thank you! I’m totally fine with a chromebook-style unsigned boot warning.

During WWDC they said you can't use any other operating System at boot time, only through virtual Machines. Update: here a podcast with Craig Federighi on that matter https://youtu.be/Hg9F1Qjv3iU

You can, they are just saying Bootcamp isn’t a thing.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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They aren't doing it to save 20$ per machine, they are doing it to make the higher price of a 16GB machine seem more reasonable than if it was the base model.

Yeah this screams classic Apple. Advertise the cost of the Mac as lower, but with a shitty option that most people will have to upgrade. Majority are not going to want to buy a 8gb laptop for that kind of money and not just bump it up to 16gb. This reminds me of how movie theatres offer a small, medium and large but the large popcorn only costs slightly more than the medium, thus enticing you to go for the large.

Yes, not just classic Apple but classic lots of things. Cars are sold the same way

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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post #140

Apple mentioned in the event that these Macs will have hardware verified secure boot. Since I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, can someone explain (or even try to guess) what this would/could mean for running Linux on these? I use Macs way beyond Apple’s support timeframe with OS X/macOS, and Linux is the one that runs on some of the older Macs and provides adequate security and security related software update…

It seems that Mac has now iPhone-based boot system. https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOSBeta/comments/jn7wbf/heres_the...

The difference is that you can turn off checks on the Mac.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Take action: buy a Mac, and return it. If they want to know why, tell them¹. Repeat for every new model. ¹ They will have to give you a full refund: it's your right as a consumer. Note that this may not work for companies.

Who downvoted your comment and why ? This is a good comment and good strategy to teach them a lesson. Without some efforts those companies would not recall moral values. Richard Stallman was warning us about this development long ago and he was right. Cripled hardware is useless for hacking mind.

Because it’s just creating e-waste, and if you do it enough they’ll stop selling you things.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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post #140

Apple mentioned in the event that these Macs will have hardware verified secure boot. Since I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, can someone explain (or even try to guess) what this would/could mean for running Linux on these? I use Macs way beyond Apple’s support timeframe with OS X/macOS, and Linux is the one that runs on some of the older Macs and provides adequate security and security related software update…

It means that you need to find a vulnerability in bootloader and exploit it to break free from Apple secure garden. Linux works on ARM for years, so I'm sure that it won't be impossible to port it over, but whether enthusiasts will do it or not is another question, as you would need to write drivers for proprietary GPU and storage to make it useful.

You can turn off secure boot.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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post #676

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Craig Federighi Said himself that they don’t boot other operating systems. Could you link the talk where they said it can run binaries not signed by Apple? The only thing I could find is where they still allow you to boot older versions which they don’t let you download anymore. To keep the actual mac experience.

It's because they don't want to support drivers for other OSes. See this WWDC session: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10686 and this manpage: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/RwcT8stYMY/

TIL this has a man page

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Better screen, better thermals (this is really important, hopefully they do it right), larger battery (almost 15%). At 1500$ for 16GB version 13" Pro seems like a really good value deal for on the go workstation - if M1 benchmarks come out decent.

They should have had better thermals in the previous 13" Pro, but... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlOPPuNv4Ec&t=3m56s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlOPPuNv4Ec&t=5m30s That's just a headscratcher.

I have an 2018 MBP with an i9/Vega20 - I can testify how terrible their thermals are. But given that this thing can be passively cooled - even apple crappy venting will probably do a decent job with this chip. Need to see what happens when the reviews land.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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post #59

Super interesting how they kept the touchbar on the Macbook Pro keyboard but not on the Air. As a software developer, I'm going to be more likely to buy an Air just due to the keyboard.

They kept the touch bar but it seems that they added (back) a physical Esc key, isn't that the most criticized missing key? Which other key do you miss now that Esc is back?

Adding back the escape key is not new, they had the same physical keyboard layout in the previous MacBook Air which was announced Nov 2019.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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When I was a kid I worked with my father building custom cars. We customized a car for the guy who owned a famous brand of liquor. He had a vanity license plate on one of his cars that said something like "3 Stars" on it and I asked him what that stood for. He said it was less expensive brand of the liquor he sold and then he went on to say "it's the same as the expensive stuff and if you tell anyone that they'll cal…

Yes, people believe it’s better. The liquor the man in your story sold (unless I’ve read this wrong) was literally the same as the expensive stuff.

Apple’s always been in the experience game. And they’ve charged a premium for the experience, even though underneath the pieces were the same. Some people hate it and some people love it.

This is another change to the experience. I think though that we’re finally beyond (excuse the expression) “Apples to Apples” comparison though. This hardware is literally not the same stuff - unless you’re down to you talking about NAND gates.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Straw poll: I need a new development machine, price is not an object but it has to be a Mac. Should I buy this new M1 or go with the Intel 16 inch MBP? My gut says there’s going to be a year or two of cross-compilation nightmares. I do a lot of Docker-based development. Wondering what everyone else thinks?

Can you run docker and virtualisation software on these? I read a comment about Federighi mentioning that there's no EFI or dual boot, which I can't find now, and I assumed there's no virtualisation at all.

There’s ARM virtualization.
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