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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by OJFord »

spear wrote: post #174
OJFord wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know the answer^, but how old is your current old Mac hardware? I don't know about the desktops, but Macbooks from 2016 are not well supported hardware-wise in Linux - things like no WiFi even. There was a good GitHub repo tracking it for up to I think the first touchbar Pro, and basically it was dismal then and only got worse (according to repo owner who consequently stopped bothering iirc). So.. depending w…

Yeah, I think you mean this repo: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux I bought a 2017 MBP hoping the situation would eventually improve but it never did, so I never got around to installing Linux. I'm expecting it'll be even worse for these M1 systems.

That's the one, thanks.

It is a shame, it's not something I ever really did (or not for long, for a period I do recall having Arch on my 2013 Air) but I like the idea - I like Apple's hardware, just not the software.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by matsemann »

lostgame wrote: post #346
shrimpx wrote: post #323

The new Air looks good. The new mbp 13” not so much. If they’re going to lower the max ram they should at least provide an explanation why 16g in the new architecture is comparable to 32 in the previous, if that’s indeed the case.

16GB RAM max prevented me from an immediate purchase. Next year, when I can at least have 32GB and be somewhat future-proofed. That they are still selling new computers for $1000+ in 2020 with 8GB RAM as the default and 16GB of RAM max is a bad joke.

Not strictly comparable, but my company provided Lenovo P1 that's a few years old got 64 GB. Can't imagine having to deal with 16 GB a few years later..

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by Darmody »

aaomidi wrote: post #189
Darmody wrote: post #65

I backed a game a while ago on Kickstarter with native support for Windows, MacOS and Linux. Several weeks ago they sent us a message saying they were ditching the MacOS version due the architecture change. I wonder how it'll affect the whole ecosystem. I think it'll end being like an iOS on steroids.

How hard would it be to release an ARM version? Also out of curiosity, what game was it?

Last Epoch.

It's made by an indie studio which doesn't have the resources to port a game like this to a ARM. They also use a lot of third party software so it's not even up to them.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by amelius »

AnonHP wrote: post #140

Apple mentioned in the event that these Macs will have hardware verified secure boot. Since I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, can someone explain (or even try to guess) what this would/could mean for running Linux on these? I use Macs way beyond Apple’s support timeframe with OS X/macOS, and Linux is the one that runs on some of the older Macs and provides adequate security and security related software update…

Take action: buy a Mac, and return it. If they want to know why, tell them¹.

Repeat for every new model.

¹ They will have to give you a full refund: it's your right as a consumer. Note that this may not work for companies.

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Post by jjcm »

supernova87a wrote: post #408

I wonder, is the 8GB vs. 16GB "unified memory" the kind of thing where all of the hardware actually has 16GB, but they disable half of it to sell the lower price version? Like Tesla's Model S 40 kwh?

Very excited for the tear downs of these to understand that as well. Could just be a binning thing as well if there’s faults in the memory.

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Post by werber »

yoz-y wrote: post #409
callamdelaney wrote: post #150

I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

The only bad thing about the current 16" is the Touch Bar. There is a lot to like about the rest though.

I use the 2020 macbook air personally and 16in professionally and the keyboard drives me insane, to the point I bought a magic keyboard to be able to function without screaming at my computer for accidentally turning my video camera on yet again during a meeting. I really wish they would have a no touch bar option, because I could use more power but still be able to touch type. Touch bar is the worst technological "improvement" I've ever come across.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by slavoingilizov »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #354

Straw poll: I need a new development machine, price is not an object but it has to be a Mac. Should I buy this new M1 or go with the Intel 16 inch MBP? My gut says there’s going to be a year or two of cross-compilation nightmares. I do a lot of Docker-based development. Wondering what everyone else thinks?

Can you run docker and virtualisation software on these? I read a comment about Federighi mentioning that there's no EFI or dual boot, which I can't find now, and I assumed there's no virtualisation at all.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by unvs »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #354

Straw poll: I need a new development machine, price is not an object but it has to be a Mac. Should I buy this new M1 or go with the Intel 16 inch MBP? My gut says there’s going to be a year or two of cross-compilation nightmares. I do a lot of Docker-based development. Wondering what everyone else thinks?

I'd say the 16, but with a caveat. By itself it is a great machine. In clamshell mode with an external 4k screen it is a great machine. With the laptop screen open connected to an external 4k screen it is EXTREMELY noisy and hot.

~173 pages of complaints on Macrumors here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/16-is-hot-noisy-with-an...

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