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But what would you run on it? What OS besides macOS has support for running on Apple Silicon?

What's the meaningful difference from other ARM chips which would make this impossible?

Which ARM chip based device can run linux without the manufacturer's drivers?

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Do they overperform for laptop use cases or for iPad use cases?

What's the difference nowadays? The vast majority of people need a social media, word editor, reminder list, chat machine.

For a lot of people, that will be four running copies of Chromium.

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I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

I really don't get it. How much difference could 8 to 16gb be in terms of price? Is Apple really doing this to save 20$ per machine?

Even if you somehow could argue that 8 is all you need now, what about in few years? No one should ever buy this device.

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I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

The only bad thing about the current 16" is the Touch Bar. There is a lot to like about the rest though.

My work gave me MacBook 16" 2020 and probably the worst business laptop I have ever had. The screen is smudgy and glary, the keyboard is awful, touch bar is a meme, no ports and finally it literally cuts my wrists because it was designed to be looked at not used.

It's an objectively awful laptop.

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Something I haven’t seen commented on (it could certainly be here, just buried): all these models, in their previous Intel incarnation, only had integrated GPUs. It seems to me that at least one reason for why these particular models were released today is that Apple isn’t quite ready to release models with a discrete GPU (on ARM).

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I agree here. I really don't understand some of the bashing that happens every single time the Macbook Pros come up in HN comments. I was a longtime happy owner of a 2015 15" MBP until earlier this year when I decided it was time to upgrade to a refurbished 2019 16" MBP. I was a bit nervous at first but I have to say that I have no major complaints, other than the fact that I wish I had F keys instead of the touchbar…

> Contrary to everyone else, I really like the keyboard. Lot of people like it, they just don't post about it. Mine has a bunch of keys that print 2 or 3 times when I press the key once (the issue that everybody eventually get with the model I have) but I still prefer that flat keyboard to the old one. Takes a few days to get used to but then it's great. I'm using https://github.com/aahung/Unshaky which fix the issue…

The 2019 16inch keyboard has a different style keyboard I believe.

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The only bad thing about the current 16" is the Touch Bar. There is a lot to like about the rest though.

So what to do if a powerful working machine is needed now, buy the current MBP 16" or go to thinkpad? Disappointed they didn't even upgrade the intel CPU on MBP 16" to the newer version.

I used t490s for a while and that has been my favorite machine since forever. In general ThinkPads are the way to go by the looks of it!

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Super interesting how they kept the touchbar on the Macbook Pro keyboard but not on the Air. As a software developer, I'm going to be more likely to buy an Air just due to the keyboard.

I can't fathom why Apple couldn't just include both. I'm using a company-provided touchbar'd Macbook Pro for work, and it's handy (I've got it setup with screenshot and screen lock buttons so I don't have to memorize the absolutely bonkers keyboard shortcuts for them); it just seems boneheaded to treat it as a replacement of the function keys instead of an addition.

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Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

>8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020. Why wouldn't it be? The iPad Pros max out at 6gb and yet they overperform the vast majority of laptops out there.

I bought a 16GB MacBook Pro in 2013. It’s still going strong.

Today I wouldn’t buy less than 32GB.

Performance is always better and the machine will last much longer

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Do they overperform for laptop use cases or for iPad use cases?

Video encoding is one example of a laptop use case where the iPad Pro has very competitive performance. Gaming is another.

We're talking about RAM. RAM usage is a direct function of how many apps you have open at the same time. For an iPad that number is a lot smaller than for a laptop.
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