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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Slack, Whatsapp, Discord, and Skype, pick any two and I don't think it's unusual.

Electron is cancer .. but Skype is native (for now, at least on Linux. Although I'm sure they'll switch to the Teams codebase and Skype native will disappear forever too)

Is that recent? It definitely used to be Electron https://www.codepicky.com/hacking-electron-restyle-skype/

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

The only bad thing about the current 16" is the Touch Bar. There is a lot to like about the rest though.

So what to do if a powerful working machine is needed now, buy the current MBP 16" or go to thinkpad? Disappointed they didn't even upgrade the intel CPU on MBP 16" to the newer version.

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Oh Apple, why are you doing this, taking freedom from your customers. I don‘t want to use Windows, neither do I want to tinker with Ubuntu. But if you keep going that path, you are forcing your power users to think about migrating to platforms that respect users freedom to do whatever they want to do with their machines. After two years of using an otherwise beautiful iPad Pro (along with my MBP) I came to realize th…

>Oh Apple, why are you doing this, taking freedom from your customers Because they can. Most other laptop manufacturers are producing garbage. Vaunted brands like Thinkpad and Dell are even failing to keep pace. My wife's 2019 Dell XPS 13 is awful to use. The touchpad is horrendous, and I'm not buying Lenovo after the Superfish thing.

Apple has always be proprietary and always will. Apple II and Macintosh Plus days, they sold all their own peripherals.

I had a Dell XPS 13 1645 that had a great display, but everything else about it was awful.

Well, in reality, you can't be a purist or you'll end up with nothing. The Lenovo T480 is solid and has two batteries.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Chrome, Slack, Zoom, Docker, k8s, VS Code, etc.

The median Macbook user is not a developer. A web browser and videocalling are the only two from that list you'd expect the median user to be doing with a Macbook.

1. The market those as "Pro"

2. Their entire presentation focuses on editing large image files, editing 4k video, machine learning, and graphics-intensive games (games were mentioned more than anything else)

So, given how these are marketed, they are extremely low on RAM and storage.

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I don't know the answer^, but how old is your current old Mac hardware? I don't know about the desktops, but Macbooks from 2016 are not well supported hardware-wise in Linux - things like no WiFi even. There was a good GitHub repo tracking it for up to I think the first touchbar Pro, and basically it was dismal then and only got worse (according to repo owner who consequently stopped bothering iirc). So.. depending w…

I have a MacBookPro15,2 (2019, with T2), on which I duel boot Arch Linux. It is perfectly usable. The hardware support is not great. In particular, resuming from suspend is very slow, and I haven't gotten the built-in mic to work. And getting the system to work did require using a patched Linux kernel installed from Github. So not easy, but possible. Your claims about "dismal then and only got worse" are unfounded. T…

I was referring to the hardware support, not the (stellar) efforts of Dunedan and contributors!

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

>8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

Why wouldn't it be? The iPad Pros max out at 6gb and yet they overperform the vast majority of laptops out there.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Straw poll: I need a new development machine, price is not an object but it has to be a Mac. Should I buy this new M1 or go with the Intel 16 inch MBP? My gut says there’s going to be a year or two of cross-compilation nightmares. I do a lot of Docker-based development. Wondering what everyone else thinks?

Get the Apple Silicon. If it doesn't meet your expectations, return it and get the Intel one. Returns are trivial with Apple if within 2 weeks (might be longer now with covid).

Orders from Apple Online are currently return eligible through January 8

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Yeah, so i don't accidentally trigger Siri all. the. time.

You can solve that problem by going into keyboard settings and changing the "Touch Bar shows" setting to "Expanded Control Strip". Or "F1, F2, etc. keys" if you prefer. Whichever one you set, holding down the "fn" key will temporarily toggle to the other one. You still don't get the same feel as physical keys, but no Siri, no sliders to adjust volume or brightness, no stuff shifting around as you switch apps.

You can do that, but keys on glass are still in every way inferior to physical keys.

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> neither do I want to tinker with Ubuntu You can get XPS Developer Edition, System76, Purism, or many other laptop brands (eg. any of these https://elementary.io/store/ with elementaryOS, whose DE should feel fairly familiar to a macOS user) with GNU preinstalled these days.

Although very slowly, this list of companies providing good Linux-ready laptops is growing. I do wish someone would dare ship something high-end non-amd64 (e.g.: ARM). Kinda like what we're seeing from Apple.

What's wrong with AMD?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I'd be tempted to buy one if this ends up being the case

But what would you run on it? What OS besides macOS has support for running on Apple Silicon?

What's the meaningful difference from other ARM chips which would make this impossible?
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