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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by pottertheotter »

shakow wrote: post #489
justin66 wrote: post #457

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Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

It is definitely an adequate base spec. What would the random MacBook user fill 16GB of RAM with?

I personally wouldn't buy something without 32GB these days. But I would tell family/friends to get at least 16GB. With 32GB, I rarely have to think about RAM. But I'm probably 85%+ utilization all the time. I'll admit that I'm a "power user", but my wife has a fairly new laptop with 8GB and it fills up FAST, even when doing nothing serious. It's at 81% right now with just Firefox, Word, and Evernote.

If I were going for a desktop it'd be at least 64GB.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by cole-k »

ggregoire wrote: post #614
perfect_wave wrote: post #562

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I agree here. I really don't understand some of the bashing that happens every single time the Macbook Pros come up in HN comments. I was a longtime happy owner of a 2015 15" MBP until earlier this year when I decided it was time to upgrade to a refurbished 2019 16" MBP. I was a bit nervous at first but I have to say that I have no major complaints, other than the fact that I wish I had F keys instead of the touchbar…

> Contrary to everyone else, I really like the keyboard. Lot of people like it, they just don't post about it. Mine has a bunch of keys that print 2 or 3 times when I press the key once (the issue that everybody eventually get with the model I have) but I still prefer that flat keyboard to the old one. Takes a few days to get used to but then it's great. I'm using https://github.com/aahung/Unshaky which fix the issue…

I wonder how many people are informing their opinions solely from the gross incompetence exhibited by Apple with your mentioned double tapping keys issue. I seem to recall that they have fixed it in newer models, but I wouldn't be surprised if it still persists.

I hate to admit it since I've drunk the mechanical keyboard koolaid, but I like the mbp flat keyboard. I easily prefer it to the 2015 keyboard, which imo is really nothing special (at least it doesn't gunk up). I hear people say great things about the thinkpad keyboard, but from my little experience with it, I'd still rank the mbp flat keyboard higher.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by [deleted] »

geodel wrote: post #380
lostgame wrote: post #346

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16GB RAM max prevented me from an immediate purchase. Next year, when I can at least have 32GB and be somewhat future-proofed. That they are still selling new computers for $1000+ in 2020 with 8GB RAM as the default and 16GB of RAM max is a bad joke.

Dell XPS 1000+ 8GB, Lenovo X1: 1000+ 8GB, Thinkpad T14s 1000+ 8GB, this list could be long. Even System76 linux computers are 1000+ for 8GB config. I do not know where you got this idea that 1000+ laptop have 16GB default. I am sure there will be consumer (crap) computers like HP pavilion, Dell inspiron etc where one can get 1000+ computer with 16GB or so RAM.

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Post by snazz »

domano wrote: post #579
rbanffy wrote: post #554

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Also Office. Lots of open Word documents. My "typical Mac user" in this case, is my wife. Her 8GB MBP is holding up very well.

Does macOS handle memory in a way where it just lets RAM fill up to some point before actively doing something about it? Because on my 16gig Macbook 8 gigs are gone just with browsing & spotify.

Yes. If you run vm_stat in the Terminal, you can see how few pages of RAM are actually left free at any given time. Modern operating systems aggressively cache files in RAM to improve performance.

The green/yellow/red graph in the Memory tab of Activity Manager is the best way of seeing if you need more RAM at a glance. In my experience, macOS won't do any swapping in the green. In the yellow, the system is still pretty usable but there's some swapping going on. When it turns red, your SSD will be getting thrashed pretty hard.

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Post by lethologica »

weystrom wrote: post #532
callamdelaney wrote: post #150

I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

Have the same machine, it's starting to chug. Modern web is too heavy for the old dualcore i5, unfortunately.

I have the same machine too, and I'm starting to notice this as well. It's absolutely ridiculous that LinkedIn for example makes my machine slow down to the extent it does.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by my123 »

Asmod4n wrote: post #632
my123 wrote: post #599

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The bootloader is not locked, why continuing to claim that over and over when Apple talked about it at WWDC?

Craig Federighi Said himself that they don’t boot other operating systems. Could you link the talk where they said it can run binaries not signed by Apple? The only thing I could find is where they still allow you to boot older versions which they don’t let you download anymore. To keep the actual mac experience.

It's because they don't want to support drivers for other OSes.

See this WWDC session: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10686

and this manpage: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/RwcT8stYMY/

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by vmception »

perfect_wave wrote: post #562
yoz-y wrote: post #409

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The only bad thing about the current 16" is the Touch Bar. There is a lot to like about the rest though.

I agree here. I really don't understand some of the bashing that happens every single time the Macbook Pros come up in HN comments. I was a longtime happy owner of a 2015 15" MBP until earlier this year when I decided it was time to upgrade to a refurbished 2019 16" MBP. I was a bit nervous at first but I have to say that I have no major complaints, other than the fact that I wish I had F keys instead of the touchbar…

The 2019 mbp got rid of the butterfly keyboard. You have a normal keyboard thats why you like it.

Unless there is a separate late 2019 one.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by chrischen »

ggregoire wrote: post #614
perfect_wave wrote: post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree here. I really don't understand some of the bashing that happens every single time the Macbook Pros come up in HN comments. I was a longtime happy owner of a 2015 15" MBP until earlier this year when I decided it was time to upgrade to a refurbished 2019 16" MBP. I was a bit nervous at first but I have to say that I have no major complaints, other than the fact that I wish I had F keys instead of the touchbar…

> Contrary to everyone else, I really like the keyboard. Lot of people like it, they just don't post about it. Mine has a bunch of keys that print 2 or 3 times when I press the key once (the issue that everybody eventually get with the model I have) but I still prefer that flat keyboard to the old one. Takes a few days to get used to but then it's great. I'm using https://github.com/aahung/Unshaky which fix the issue…

Yea, Apple has been posting record Macbook sales.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by hocuspocus »

skohan wrote: post #610
aroman wrote: post #555

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But what would you run on it? What OS besides macOS has support for running on Apple Silicon?

What's the meaningful difference from other ARM chips which would make this impossible?

The bootloader and GPU mostly.
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