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Post by djrogers »

dkarl wrote: post #362
vmarsy wrote: post #59

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They kept the touch bar but it seems that they added (back) a physical Esc key, isn't that the most criticized missing key? Which other key do you miss now that Esc is back?

Having bought a Macbook Pro with an Esc key earlier this year, lack of an Esc key was 90% of my issue with the touch bar. My biggest issue now is when I accidentally activate it. I didn't have an issue accidentally hitting the function keys on my 2013, so why not bring those back? Or invent something new. Forward or back, I don't care, just admit the touch bar was a dud and get it off my keyboard. EDIT: My mother als…

Settings | Keyboard | Touch Bar Shows

You can choose a few different options there - try "Expanded Control Strip".

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Post by beaner »

nojito wrote: post #606
justin66 wrote: post #457

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Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

>8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020. Why wouldn't it be? The iPad Pros max out at 6gb and yet they overperform the vast majority of laptops out there.

Do they overperform for laptop use cases or for iPad use cases?

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Post by derbOac »

hankchinaski wrote: post #485
AnonHP wrote: post #140

Apple mentioned in the event that these Macs will have hardware verified secure boot. Since I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, can someone explain (or even try to guess) what this would/could mean for running Linux on these? I use Macs way beyond Apple’s support timeframe with OS X/macOS, and Linux is the one that runs on some of the older Macs and provides adequate security and security related software update…

i personally prefer secure hardware at the expense of not being able to play around with other OSes - i am sure i am not alone

You can have both. Users should control the keys. Not an insurmountable problem.

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Post by ggregoire »

perfect_wave wrote: post #562
yoz-y wrote: post #409

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The only bad thing about the current 16" is the Touch Bar. There is a lot to like about the rest though.

I agree here. I really don't understand some of the bashing that happens every single time the Macbook Pros come up in HN comments. I was a longtime happy owner of a 2015 15" MBP until earlier this year when I decided it was time to upgrade to a refurbished 2019 16" MBP. I was a bit nervous at first but I have to say that I have no major complaints, other than the fact that I wish I had F keys instead of the touchbar…

> Contrary to everyone else, I really like the keyboard.

Lot of people like it, they just don't post about it.

Mine has a bunch of keys that print 2 or 3 times when I press the key once (the issue that everybody eventually get with the model I have) but I still prefer that flat keyboard to the old one. Takes a few days to get used to but then it's great.

I'm using https://github.com/aahung/Unshaky which fix the issue with the broken keys.

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Post by andromeduck »

ralph87 wrote: post #539
Osiris wrote: post #480

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So the Pro should be able to maintain higher clock speeds for longer, is the assumption?

The emphasis here being on the word "should". I wouldn't buy just yet until some third party has published a sustained load/heat test. Apple have sucked at this for quite some years now, it's folly to touch a MacBook for anything remotely compute-intensive

Only when you compare apples to oranges, but this is an apples to apples comparison. Same underlying silicon, almost identical configuration, different chassis. It's impossible for the Pro not to outperform the Air when the only substantial difference for performance is TDP and we have zero reason to believe that heat-pipe + fan would be outperform by passive cooling of all things.

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Post by torben-friis »

submeta wrote: post #581
benhurmarcel wrote: post #519

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Yes the iPad is "crippled" in that sense, but I find it's an excellent accessory to a computer. Not everything I do needs a terminal, my Python scripts, favorite text editor, and rapid multitasking. The iPad is a wonderful (albeit expensive) side device for lighter activities on the couch, in the kitchen, or on the go. It doesn't need to be our only computing device to be appreciated, and not every computing device n…

What I am lamenting is the observation that the iPad OS seems to be Apples vision for how computers should work: Crippled, not much user control, just content-consuming devices with Apple controlling every aspect of it. That’s not a personal computer anymore, not a device where we have much control over it.

I'm perfectly happy with the division between "consumer machines" and "creative machines".

I obviously count myself among the people who needs and wants creator capabilities, but for my technologically challenged family and friends there's no reason to learn and manage all the complexities of a classic computer environment if they just want a point of access to youtube, netflix, spotify and social networks.

I still shiver remembering the times of browsers riddled with search bars, trojans and antivirus software slowing computers to a crawl and people who's "good with tech" being dragged to friends' houses to see what's wrong with the computer.

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Post by jtbayly »

my123 wrote: post #599
grishka wrote: post #288

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So, a locked bootloader with someone else's public key as the only one trusted? Can you even call that a computer?

The bootloader is not locked, why continuing to claim that over and over when Apple talked about it at WWDC?

I haven’t watched anything. Are you saying you can boot another OS? Can you point me to where I can read or hear more about this?

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Post by vetinari »

djsumdog wrote: post #588
wlesieutre wrote: post #566

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Slack, Whatsapp, Discord, and Skype, pick any two and I don't think it's unusual.

Electron is cancer .. but Skype is native (for now, at least on Linux. Although I'm sure they'll switch to the Teams codebase and Skype native will disappear forever too)

Skype 7 was native; Skype 8 is Electron. So is Teams.

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Post by ralfd »

perfect_wave wrote: post #562
yoz-y wrote: post #409

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The only bad thing about the current 16" is the Touch Bar. There is a lot to like about the rest though.

I agree here. I really don't understand some of the bashing that happens every single time the Macbook Pros come up in HN comments. I was a longtime happy owner of a 2015 15" MBP until earlier this year when I decided it was time to upgrade to a refurbished 2019 16" MBP. I was a bit nervous at first but I have to say that I have no major complaints, other than the fact that I wish I had F keys instead of the touchbar…

> [1] https://pock.dev/

Looks useful! Thanks.

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